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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:41 pm 
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One of the poorest games of football I've seen for a long time in terms of quality, but I'm not sure why so many are complaining about a lack of effort.
It's the effort (or lack thereof) when it actually counted that's got us pissed off.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:44 pm 
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One of the poorest games of football I've seen for a long time in terms of quality, but I'm not sure why so many are complaining about a lack of effort.


Did you see the tackle count? We got pantsed there most of the night?

Did you see us get cute in the 3Q? We took out foot off their throat and allowed them back in.

The effort was deplorable, backed up by a talentless mob of underlings who simply failed to try.

Simmo is the only one who could hold his head up high.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:47 pm 
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jim wrote:
The only way I can accept this is if this becomes "watershed" day and vowing this type of sh1t will never happen again. Much like Geelong in 2007 after round 5 in where they sat 2-3 after another p1ss poor loss.


It wont be... the players don't give a shit. They're happy if their hair doesn't need a blow wave after the game.

We ARE a mediocre side (in fact, that's a bit of an understatement)

On this basis, how many "watershed days" have we had and not learned from? Too many to count.


Neither did Geelong for years but, yes, I don't hold out alot of hope. Just saying it's the only way I'd accept it and we won't find that out for a long time.

Problem is i can see what'll happen here. We'll beat Port simply because of yesterday's shame, play finals from 9th, be lucky enough to get a nervous Tigers side and win, then get get embarrassed in a gutless display the next week as happens when we get false hope. That'd mean nothing had changed but the cracks would be wallpapers meaning we turn out the same sh1t efforts again next year.


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The last seconds told the story of the night...

What part of the game plan has Eddie Betts trying to take a spekkie over the top of either Casbault or Henderson, knocking them over (I cant remember who...)?

Er, Eddie...are you supposed to be crumbing for a possible goal at the foot of the pack?

Just dumb, dumb football...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Eddie is great at attempting to specie. Missing the ball completely. Then givin away a free


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The last seconds told the story of the night...

What part of the game plan has Eddie Betts trying to take a spekkie over the top of either Casbault or Henderson, knocking them over (I cant remember who...)?

Er, Eddie...are you supposed to be crumbing for a possible goal at the foot of the pack?

Just dumb, dumb football...

To me the moment was Casboult @#$%&! around 50 out when he had ample opportunity to get the ball in quick. Either he choked, or was given no (clear) direction from his teammates on what to do. Turnover, goal.

Of course there were countless others, but this was the moment I knew the game was gone.

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bluechucky wrote:
JackWorrall wrote:
One of the poorest games of football I've seen for a long time in terms of quality, but I'm not sure why so many are complaining about a lack of effort.


Did you see the tackle count? We got pantsed there most of the night?

Did you see us get cute in the 3Q? We took out foot off their throat and allowed them back in.

The effort was deplorable, backed up by a talentless mob of underlings who simply failed to try.

Simmo is the only one who could hold his head up high.



It perspective I suppose. In the first and third quarters we outplayed them comprehensively, only then to constantly miss when going for goal.

Make no mistake, I left the ground as gutted and angry as I've been after any loss, and there were some individuals I think were very poor. Warnock, Joseph, Duigan, and many others, are examples of players on our list who simply are not AFL standard players. They make the effort, but don't have either the physical ability, nor the football nous to make the grade.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:57 pm 
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JackWorrall wrote:
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JackWorrall wrote:
One of the poorest games of football I've seen for a long time in terms of quality, but I'm not sure why so many are complaining about a lack of effort.


Did you see the tackle count? We got pantsed there most of the night?

Did you see us get cute in the 3Q? We took out foot off their throat and allowed them back in.

The effort was deplorable, backed up by a talentless mob of underlings who simply failed to try.

Simmo is the only one who could hold his head up high.



It perspective I suppose. In the first and third quarters we outplayed them comprehensively, only then to constantly miss when going for goal.

Make no mistake, I left the ground as gutted and angry as I've been after any loss, and there were some individuals I think were very poor. Warnock, Joseph, Duigan, and many others, are examples of players on our list who simply are not AFL standard players. They make the effort, but don't have either the physical ability, nor the football nous to make the grade.


Watching live it was typical of what we have done all year. We pick and choose. At times we were good then got lazy. Overall effort was poor but execution was worse.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:58 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Wet Willie wrote:
The last seconds told the story of the night...

What part of the game plan has Eddie Betts trying to take a spekkie over the top of either Casbault or Henderson, knocking them over (I cant remember who...)?

Er, Eddie...are you supposed to be crumbing for a possible goal at the foot of the pack?

Just dumb, dumb football...

To me the moment was Casboult !@#$%& around 50 out when he had ample opportunity to get the ball in quick. Either he choked, or was given no (clear) direction from his teammates on what to do. Turnover, goal.

Of course there were countless others, but this was the moment I knew the game was gone.


Ah yes everyone was screaming JUST GET IT FORWARD and he handballs to a bloke under pressure.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:00 pm 
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No game again for Duigan and Joseph just not up to it
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Terrible finishing skills
Some real dumb selfish football
Hollywood betts tries a left foot snap hits the post where mate is in goal square couldn't have missed

How many stupid free kicks did Robinson give away

One of our worst losses over the last 5 years and there have been plenty
These sort of losses scar young players
Only one good thing last night is realising we have a quality player in Menzel


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Just back from the mountain and heard the score. I wish I had stayed there! flakey in the extreme.

As has been stated earlier mediocre all round.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:03 pm 
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Only one good thing last night is realising we have a quality player in Menzel

Agreed. But give it time and he'll catch the metrosexual, Gen Y, "I'll work when I want to work" attitude from the rest of the list.

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Kade Simpson - Fantastic!

Brock going off hurt us a LOT! No in and under.


McInnes, AJ, Duigan (tried hard) NOt up to it.

Very frustrating game.

Too many boys who sleep with the lights on, cant wait to see what we do in the off season to fix this.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:07 pm 
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Hammertime22 wrote:
Eddie is great at attempting to specie. Missing the ball completely. Then givin away a free


can anyone remember a more frustrating pair of 10 years players in Betts and Waite playing at the same time. We are fortunate Russell didn't join them this year as well.


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I think we're underestimating 1AW's loss as well. Explains our lack of run from HB.

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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Kade Simpson - Fantastic!

Brock going off hurt us a LOT! No in and under.


McInnes, AJ, Duigan (tried hard) NOt up to it.

Very frustrating game.

Too many boys who sleep with the lights on, cant wait to see what we do in the off season to fix this.


McInnes, SERIOUSLY????

Coming back from a serious knee he has done exceptionally well. Will be a very good player for a long time.

One of our shinning lights for the future.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:33 pm 
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Just watched bit and pieces of the replay.

Bloody Hell, how bad are Channel 7. Pathetic.

How Luke Darcy has a job let alone seen as "media talent" is beyond me.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:34 pm 
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This game was a carbon copy of earlier in the year

To the T

In the earlier game White I'm pretty sure it was had two shocking moments late in the game, first was the hapless attempt to tackle where the Ess player bounced off him. And the second was the gutless attempt to mark at the death. Well McCinness' pissweak attempt to mark at the death, in fact he didn't even try instead tried to punch the ball when he should have had the kahoonas to mark, was a carbon copy of the White balls up

Simply amazing

In both games terrible kicking for goal and a third tall defender completely shitting themselves under pressure at the death cost us the game

McCINNES just like White ought to be dropped instantly for this effort. I know he is a kid but that's just not good enough.

Under pressure true characters are revealed

I feel sorry for Mick. History has shown you need cattle, and history has also shown AFL players for one reason or another kicking for goal is the one skill that hasn't improved over 100 years.

Mick is a realist, he knows too well the problems with the list

He spoke early in the year of the need to find big bodied midfielders. He hinted strongly Gibbs was the type of player we need. But we have very few of these big bodied quality mids, and the back line is putrid as evidenced by McCinness brain fade - so Gibbs is deployed a HB or to tag etc.

We simply don't have enough talent

No depth

Means we have to fill holes with our quality

Simpson and Walker and Gibbs and Scotland fill holes

But even there it's not ideal. Walkerlays HB because he can run and carry but he is hopeless one on one as a defender, has no idea

Should be a wingman bar the fact we have no quality down back so he is deployed there

What do we do? We can't go off and get 6 grea players in one off season, can we?

I have said before thee ae 20 players who need to go, that is 2-3 years of turning the list over.

So it's essentially a new beginning, starting all over. Murphy will be 28!

All because of Hughes' deplorable recruitment under Ratten and Sticks watch

Synbads is right, HbFs. Before last year when was the last time we took a mid early? Lucas who can run but kicking is suspect and is another soft top ice cream. Now in the Twos.

Lack of mental toughness, see Lucas soft, see McCinness last night, White earlier game, Yarran soft, Garlett soft, etc etc, this is compounded by a poor leadership group. Waite showed up by Hurley. Gibbs terrible kick to seal it. betts terrible kick to seal it. Murphy not fit but that doesnt excuse his refusal to impose himself at stoppages. Terrible. Only Simpson stood up!

What to do?.

The list problems are interlinked because the football field is interlinked

What would be great would be to pull a Syd type trade for an experienced quality mid size defender. Like the one they got from Adel those years back. Not mature angers who can't kick like Duigan. Actually go and get a quality proven defender, or two.

Then get a quality mid, and probably not Dale Thomas cause his ankle is a worry and he's not a big bodied mid. If you could get Dale and a quality big bodied mid that would be huge. But it's easier said then done.

Blues need to bite the bullet and give up a lot to get a lot.

Yarran tried his guts out las night but poor kicking, lack of belief to seal it himself, a terribly soft effort that swung the momentum their way, stupid reckless frees undermined his effort. He's clearly trying but is it too late for him?

We have wasted so many years on Armfield and Robinson who will also be retards out there.

What would we seriously get for the following, not saying you trade them all but what would we get then decide which ones to try and shop around ...

Yarran
Warnock
Hampson
Betts
Robinson
Armfield

Through trading these types, through FA, through maybe trading our first pick, can we get some proven, quality, hard defenders and some proven, hard, quality big bodied mids???

Everyone says we need a quality big fwd but I'd say that's jus about impossible to get unless you sell the farm, and anyhow Hendo and Cas look promising IMO. Had Robinson not been a complete dick Cas would have snagged a goal late just like the two strong marks he took in the goal square last week. Robinson you complete flower!

It's ironic after years wasting picks on HBFs we actually have none other than Gibbs and Simpson and Walker
. What a disgrace for the recruitment dept. An indictment

Get two players in the mould of Mattner, those types. Frees up Walker and Gibbs so they can go to midfield permanently. Stop plugging holes. Duigan had one god year and Laidler is a cripple. It didn't work.

We simply must get more quality into this team.

This list has never finished higher than fifth for a good reason.

And now Judd, Scotland, Carrazzo, Waite are nearing the end. So the vacuum is in full effect. Need even more talent.

Mick will improve some players but he can't turn unskilled hacks into good players, once a hack always a hack. And he can't turn 20 shit players into gold.

Geez wouldn't it be nice to have Roughie and Buddy.



Yes, our list problems run deep but your ideas on how to fix them are all over the shop. :confused: I like the highlighted line, though, so true. :lol:

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The main question that comes to me after reading through this is whether Sugarcane is actually Christi Malthouse. Wouldn't mind getting paid $1m to be in charge and then not have to take any responsibility for performance. Last year we were this bad because of the coach. Now we are this good because of the coach, without him apparently we would be GWS.

The only question I have for the 'Malthouse is god' camp, is how did Ross Lyon get an injury riddled group of good ordinary players to do what Freeo have done in the last two years since he has got there, and Messiah Mick is doing well to have us steady at 9th.

Sure the list has problems, not as good as the committee think and not as bad as some on here think, but if we need a rebuild, why did we bring in a 60 year old to do it? He took 10 years at Collingwood.

And all these magical list changes! If you get rid of players who aren't good enough at Carlton, you replace them with players who aren't good enough at other clubs. If we are going to draft our way to success, as we should have done with all the picks we have had, then we are in for a long wait. And that is the only way we'll get real quality. If we go the recycled route, look out for us to bring in proven stars like Mick Mansfield, Steve O'Reilly, Mick McGuane and Craig Devonport.

MM has been a pretty good coach, but if he turns us around by 2015 he will be a genius. Next year probably Nth WCE and Adelaide will get ahead of us. Is 21 years the longest we have been without a flag in our history? I think we will smash that record.


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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Kade Simpson - Fantastic!

Brock going off hurt us a LOT! No in and under.


McInnes, AJ, Duigan (tried hard) NOt up to it.

Very frustrating game.

Too many boys who sleep with the lights on, cant wait to see what we do in the off season to fix this.


McInnes, SERIOUSLY????

Coming back from a serious knee he has done exceptionally well. Will be a very good player for a long time.

One of our shinning lights for the future.


+1 - mcinnes did pretty well overall, was under a lot of pressure all night long and did well - needs an injury free preseason to get the fitness required - by far our best prospect for third tall defender


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