Nah, these things tell me he actually gives a damn about what happens and has some passion for the job, there's too much trying to turn everyone into an emotionless robotic figure in the game already.

I'd love to see our players get angry and show us they are hurting after a loss rather than getting the same meaningless trite being rolled out every time they speak.

As far as water bottle throwing i guess you didnt see Hardwick do the same thing in his box when we beat them in the final? Should he be encouraged to retire as well?

Club i have seen a number of coaches throw water bottle including Lyon, the Scott brothers etc so I don't think mm is alone in that respect.

Also IIRC a number of the tantrums have also been after bad umpiring decisions.

Bloke who just got his team into yet another GF has been known to punch holes in walls in coach's boxes.
A bit of apoplectic rage over failure to adhere to team plans is much better than active barracking during games, IMO.

Parkin used to lose his head too, at times. It happens.

And Parkin didn't just go out and single blokes out in the huddle, he'd pin them up against the wall in the player's race and give them an earful before they made it back into the rooms

Must say malthouses observations re out list and areas we need to improve are spot on

First time we have had a decent coach since Parkin

Alan Richardson?

What was said.

IIRC your post early on the year stating that the asssistants you spoke with considered MM ....said something like... autocratic or dictatorial.

I don't know what we've got with MM. His reputation and CV reads quite well. Then there's the face to face side of MM no one really knows other than those who worked for him.

If it was Richardson who got on his bike and came to Carlton, was he a succes there or failure?
I would ask the same of him and his time at Carlton. Success or failure?
He was a development coach wasn't he.

Not being sarcastic here, but it seems all coaches have strengths and weaknesses and some work with certain clubs or envirnmnets where others don't. So much luck is involved with success.

Luck doesnt play a role imo when it comes to development. Wasn't that our achilles heel? or was it recruitment? Or both?

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Agree.

We're too small and skinny and get pushed around and over too easily.

Then there's the competitive beast which is lacking ...mental weakness.

HTFU!!!!

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..I would say that there's a huge gulf between top 4 and teams 5 to 8, and pies even with Buckley were a system based team and not a rats team hinged upon individual brilliance..

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So, what do you think about Ross Lyon as a coach? He took St Kilda to two Grand Finals (with arguably a much better list than Collingwood 2002/03) and lost them both.

No good?

Malcolm Blight lost 3 before he won 2

Im not sure my heart could handle a grandfinal loss after so long

NOt sure that mine would either but getting to the level that we were up there competing for the ultimate prize again would be great after the past decade where we have only gone from deplorable to mediocre in our performances.

I don't want to be here year after year having to be satisfied with winning an elimination final at best.

Was fortunate enough to attend a function last night where a number of Carlton people were at. We Had a decent chat to someone and he mentioned to that we are very likely to see a different Carlton team take the field next year in both playing personnel and structurally.

He mentioned that almost half way through the year that the club had planned to play several players to drive up there trade value. Those being Hampson, Warnock, Laidler and Duigan. Then sometime around round 16 or so, the club was informed that Essendon* would be disqualified from season 2013. This changed Everything and Micks focus shifted to was making the finals.

Good post ^^ gives me hope. We need massive changes

Massive changes required. Get Ross Lyon.

As if he'd leave Freo for Carlton right now.

Coaching. Its a career. And it may surprise some of you , but there is always more than one way to do things. Coaching included..
Go back to ratten. His initial years were from memory marked with his lack of ability to step back and manage his assistants. He got too close and was micro managing. His coaching supposedly improved once he reversed this.

malthouse on the other hand is being criticised by EX assistants for his autocratic ways..... Perhaps mick has a strong opinion on how his message should be delivered, that he wants a personal relationship with his players so that he can understand what makes them tick. You cant subcontract this part of the way he goes about it. BUT that is the way mick coaches. It didnt work for ratten, it wont work for a lot if coaches.
But to criticise mick for not utilizing his assistants properly, is making a judgement call on what works best for mick. Clearly he knows how to coach and get the best out of his players. His record speaks for himself . Why should we be critical of an apparent lack of ability to cede control to assistants?
Who wrote this unofficial book on coaching, that dictates the use of assistant coaches anyway?
To me the use of assistants is becoming over done. It is a vain attempt to control the uncontrollable. The use of stats the use of assistants computerisation, all have their place, but an over reliance on them to tell the whole story is like trying to treat people like machines. The psychology of sport is so important. To get the best out of players you need to assimilate knowledge of a players psyche and make judgement calls based on that information and also of course the more scientific approach....stats, supplements, match ups etc.
The scientific stuff can be largely duplicated, and to an extent commoditised, and so the playing field once again becomes even in that respect . And what we are left with is the players psychology. A coach who naturally, instinctively wants to understand his players brings a natural advantage, over the clinical, stat driven, over-reliant on assistants coach. If mick feels that e wants to use hus assistants in a certain way, so that his message to individual players stays focussed then so be it. Give me that anyday.

We should just sakc Mick and get Ross Lyon over for $3M/year.

Money doesn't matter as the AFL will bail us out if need be...

Happy with mm if I recall pies slaughtered saints when those coaches last met in GF

Mm is the best coach in the business

Agreed Bigred.