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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:55 pm 
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Whats done is done.

We have Murphy Thomas Everitt Gibbs locked in.
I'm not compaining.

I'd like to lock in Yarran ...and I have a soft spot for Walker.....and in that lot we have a good midfield.

I want to know who we get to replace Judd and Kouta...you know, the player who could help us win the midfield battle even with an inferior ruck.
Brock, Carrots, Curnow, Ellard, Scotland are not Judd either but we have to replace them too.

Got a few ddrafts the get to where we want...if we get it right.

We need more mids desperate to win a flag in the next 3-5 years. Add Kreuzer, and we hope thay all stay fit.

Then there's the Hendo Jammo and possible Everitt and Casboult in the spine.
Waite needs to be replaced.

Gibbs is just one piece of a big jigsaw.

Gibbs is a Blue for life and hopefully a premiership player.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:57 pm 
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We allow bad players to rot on our list and reward good players with great player contracts


Bad start Mr Prez


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:03 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
We allow bad players to rot on our list and reward good players with great player contracts


Bad start Mr Prez


Would have walked if we gave him less than 5 years ... no point losing him at 25 years of age.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:19 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Whats done is done.

We have Murphy Thomas Everitt Gibbs locked in.
I'm not compaining.

I'd like to lock in Yarran ...and I have a soft spot for Walker.....and in that lot we have a good midfield.
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We've locked in Walker & now he's in a serious form slump...he's not a defender.

As for Bryce, we need to see the same output for the remainder of the year & take out the B&F. Kudos for his lifted performance this year. Still like to see more of him on the HFF.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I'd like to lock in Yarran



Andy Mack apparently stated today, that Yazza is a few days away from committing. Menz is the one, who I wanna see locked away. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:52 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
chelodina wrote:
We allow bad players to rot on our list and reward good players with great player contracts


Bad start Mr Prez


Would have walked if we gave him less than 5 years ... no point losing him at 25 years of age.


He is no Judd and never will be. IF he walked, he walked. Three years maximum for Gibbs.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:19 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
chelodina wrote:
We allow bad players to rot on our list and reward good players with great player contracts


Bad start Mr Prez


Would have walked if we gave him less than 5 years ... no point losing him at 25 years of age.


He is no Judd and never will be. IF he walked, he walked. Three years maximum for Gibbs.

This decision has posterior pain all over it... when the bite inevitably eventuates

Do people really believe we can snag a premiership within the next five years? The "blueprint" mark II ???

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:41 pm 
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Give us 27 first round draft picks like GWS and yes, we can win a swag of premierships in the next 5 years no probalems :razz:

I'm not completely sold on Gibbs as a player. The only saving grace I have for him is he may indeed turn out to be one of those rare late bloomers who hits his peak in the later half of his career.

If this turns out to be true with Gibbs and of coarse we happen to snag some decent talent come end of year shenanigans at the draft, then anything is possible. Gibbs just adds another level of class to a spot we have to fill, IF he can maintain his current form AND improve as a player then we've done well. Anything short of that and we where duped!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:08 am 
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Gibbs is playing pretty good footy at the moment - he's probably leading the BnF - so I'm not sure why there'd be any angst.

Add that to him being asked to played a variety of roles throughout his career, none of which he's truly excelled in, but by the same token none of which he's failed in either.

His career has been curtailed somewhat by his perceived versatility.

He's a very good footballer. Better than a speculative pick in the draft.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:59 am 
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Manchego Cheese wrote:
Gibbs is playing pretty good footy at the moment - he's probably leading the BnF - so I'm not sure why there'd be any angst.

Add that to him being asked to played a variety of roles throughout his career, none of which he's truly excelled in, but by the same token none of which he's failed in either.

His career has been curtailed somewhat by his perceived versatility.

He's a very good footballer. Better than a speculative pick in the draft.


I am not sure too many are criticising his football. The issue is was it the right decision for the club moving forward?

Are we going to compete for Top 4 in the next 5 years or are we better off building for the next 10 years?

Most people are quite happy with the way he has played this year. He has been very good. The level of output over 160 games IMO hasn't been that great.

I believe what your seeing in most comments is an underlying level of frustration and anger. People are sick of us struggling. We are not much better than we were a decade ago.

Supporters have a right to question any decisions especially at the moment. Mixed messages keep coming from the club and decisions that seem to make little sense and show little direction.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:30 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Gibbs is playing pretty good footy at the moment - he's probably leading the BnF - so I'm not sure why there'd be any angst.

Add that to him being asked to played a variety of roles throughout his career, none of which he's truly excelled in, but by the same token none of which he's failed in either.

His career has been curtailed somewhat by his perceived versatility.

He's a very good footballer. Better than a speculative pick in the draft.


I am not sure too many are criticising his football. The issue is was it the right decision for the club moving forward?

Are we going to compete for Top 4 in the next 5 years or are we better off building for the next 10 years?

Most people are quite happy with the way he has played this year. He has been very good. The level of output over 160 games IMO hasn't been that great.

I believe what your seeing in most comments is an underlying level of frustration and anger. People are sick of us struggling. We are not much better than we were a decade ago.

Supporters have a right to question any decisions especially at the moment. Mixed messages keep coming from the club and decisions that seem to make little sense and show little direction.


good post

the dilemma is that by signing him we may have missed out on another top ten pick, although this is not guaranteed

could be a potential A grade key position player that would be more valuable than Gibbs in the long run

on the other foot you have a very good player, who has been durable and offers a consistency that would greatly benefit a transitioning team

hopefully, the club has started making the right decisions


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:59 am 
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Highlight of the year so far. And probably that's it for 2014.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:49 am 
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I have been a critic of Gibbs, not because he is not a good player, but because he could be a great player. This year he has been very good mainly and has shown leadership, and would be in front in the b & f so I am happy he has stayed. As Thomas shows, you always get more when you go elsehwere. But for 2/3 the cost of Thomas he is value. And I like one club players


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:35 am 
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camelboy wrote:
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5 year deal

Same length as Carrazzo's contract. :grin:


I thought Carrots' was 6 years.



With how slow carrots plays, it just feels like its six years.



*tish, boom*


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:49 am 
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Braithy wrote:
camelboy wrote:
kezza wrote:
mikkey wrote:
5 year deal

Same length as Carrazzo's contract. :grin:


I thought Carrots' was 6 years.



With how slow carrots plays, it just feels like its six years.



*tish, boom*



Sort of like The Matrix in reverse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:18 am 
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Not sure why people are upset.
He has spent his first few years at the club as a back pocket, tagger and half back flank role.
First year he has had a crack in the mid field consistently and surely leading the BnF currently.

Whether it was 3 or 5 years is irrelevant. He is going to be playing at a high level for the next 5 years and we should be thanking him for not taking 700k plus at other clubs. Good Carlton Lad!!

I keep reading posts about this being the wrong decision for the club. A lot of criticism about bottoming out and regenerating the list. I think people have short memories. Before we got Judd, we had no leadership at the club, we were a bunch of kids with no senior players to really guide the players or to follow the way you should train and apply yourself. We had Fevola for off field training though, but not really on field. Now, Gibb's aint Judd, no body is in his class. But, l'm sure Gibbs and Murphy will continue those good traits that Judd would of demonstrated and they will pass that on to the younger brigade in years to come. If you have no leaders at the club, you end up like the Melbourne Demons the last few years with all the draft picks in the world, but no discipline, direction and left in the wilderness. I'm sure a lot of Melbourne's draft picks would of been a lot better at other clubs with better leadership and systems in place.

Anyone that really wanted Gibbs to be traded for a top 10 pick is basically saying, lets clean out our list and accumulate draft picks like Melbourne with no leadership's and collect wooden spoons. Melbourne has done that, Richmond has done that for last 20 years but doesn't really seem like winning formula. I think if you keep solid leaders at a club and fill holes around them with a better coaching model is a more effective way to go about it. Hawks have done that with their core group and so have Geelong. The game has changed that much in the last few years that you primarily just need athletes that can kick, mark and handball with quick pace in the midfield. All you need is a couple KPP in the back and forward half and runners for the rest with a quality coaching system (presently we do not have one). Midfielders are dime a dozen now and l don't think you need a top 10 player to be a complimentary mid field option for a core midfield of Murphy, Gibbs, Thomas etc. Top 10 pick doesnt guarantee you a elite player, there is just as much chance that a pick 20 or pick 30 player will be a gun. Just need a bit of luck at the draft to read potential. Sure if you get a top 5 pick you could get a Selwood or Pendlebury, but there is no guarantees. Yarran was pick 7 and Docherty was pick 11 or 12 with Brisbane, which are just good average players. Jack Watts would be lucky to go pick 20 if the draft was done now.

As a Carlton member, if the direction is to collect spoons, l will do a synbad and not be a member. It is a losers attitude. The club will naturally regenerate the list with the retirements of about 10+ players in the next 2-3 years. Clubs typically make 6-8 changes a season, no need to do anything too drastic to save Malthouse's legacy. You need to keep quality players at the club, unless your offered a trade you can't refuse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 10:40 am 
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you never give anyone a five year deal never
Unless a club is run by morons


Will this join rapted and sakced in the TC lexicon? :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:01 am 
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Not sure why people are upset.


Are too many people upset about it? Not many that I have read and if they are it's certainly not regarding Gibbs himself.

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