I wonder can you argue with that?

They blamed the coach though, right?

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While it would seem that Pagan overestimated the list at time when he brought in the recycled players, could it also be a possibility that he was protecting the development of some of our better youngsters?

I'm pretty happy with how Pagan has brought on Simpson and I expect he will do the same with Blackwell.

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You're missing my point Molsey.
I'm happy to accept the club made those decisions.
Hell, I even agreed with some of them at the time.

But when we reflect, lets be accurate in our appraisals.
When someone tells me it was the only viable option available to us, I disagree.
We made a conscious decision to take recycled players over kids.
The names are less relevant than the philosophy.

If we tell ourselves we did it because we would have burnt the kids out etc, we are ignoring the reality IMO.
We tried to top up.

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There should be a rule:

If you nominated a course of action at the time (for whatever it might be) and your chosen course of action has proven with hindsight to be much better than that chosen by the club then you have every right to complain about decisions made by the club.

On the other hand if you went along with it at the time then shut the @#$%&! up...

As Molsey said - every club passed over Davey 5 times in that draft because there were serious questions over his let's say Houlihanesque attributes. I've still got reservations about Davey but he's doing okay at the moment.





As I said somewhere in there BV I don't think it was the "only viable option" but it was the option that was chosen and I agreed with it at the time. I don't really remember anyone disagreeing with it too much. Most posters at TBV and CSC were just bloody relieved to see something happening.

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Blake Campbell - poor attitude, not good enough = GONE
Callum Beasy - not good enough, playing Bendigo Bombers now and not even dominating = GONE
Wiggo - 50 games, not good enough = SHOULD GO
Simmo - slight body, eased in, starting to show something = STAYING
Davies - plenty of chances, inconsistent = LAST CHANCE
Stinear - not good enough, playing in Qld = GONE

At least come up with some examples of players that have kicked on in a lower league or have gone to another club and succeeded. You know what, there aren't many. These others were never going to make it, regardless of whether they were given 5 or 50 senior games. They were all kept on the list for a long time and given plenty of chances, it's not Pagan's fault they've delivered nothing anywhere, anytime. Simply giving games to players isn't enough if they're clearly not good enough. This is why Sporn, Wiggo and Livo will all fade away within 2 years, regardless of what pick in the draft they were.

BTW not a fan of all the hindsight recruiters on this site. We should have got Hartigan, Davey, Tuck ... Tuck is a retread (Hawthorn list) but one of those who has taken the second chance ... these players were passed up by all 16 teams more than 4 or 5 times so not sure we can blame only our recruiters for not taking them.

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BTW Blue Vain - what would you do differently this year? I'm not unhappy with Saddington, 1, 4, 20, 36 and McLaren.

Certainly I would have been happy to get a great trade of high picks for Whitnall, Campo etc but that didn't eventuate.

What else would you have done given free reign (whilst acknowledging your decisions are only effective if another club comes to the party when trading)?

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I think BV would have traded a certain someone

BV brings up an interesting point about Pagan thinking that we would make the 8. How often does he watch opposition teams play? Not just the team we are playing next week, but other games as well?

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Campo should have been parcelled up with pick 52 if they were not going to keep him and traded for a 1/3 rd rounder some where . Which could have used for one of these potential F/S that are floating around. We have all seen Saddington his best is behind him. Bannister and either Prendagast or Davies ,or Wiggens should have been delisted and chances should have been taken with late picks, try and net another simpson, Fisher type player or even someone like Raso . although Maclaren is not everyone first choice for a PSD No 1 -(it would have been good to coax Kosi over) at least he is a ruckman

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I think Essendon* was the only club interested in Camporeale and were only prepared to do the following deals...

1. Campo + Pick 36 for Mark Bolton
2. Campo + Pick 36 for Ted Richards

Glad we didn't take those deals and I'm prepared to lose him for nothing if that's the crap that was being offered.

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count me out of future 'discussions'

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What point are you trying to make GWS?
I've said previously I would have traded Whitnall.
You can say there was no interest and we'll both have no idea.

I'm happy with Saddington but I would drop 2 more off our list eg. Prender, Davies.
I know they may be contracted but that is poor list management if so.
I would put Jesse Smith on our list, pick an extra kid and take an extra rookie.
If Michael Stevens were available at our 6th pick, I'd take him.

I would have used the cash from Campo and Red going to throw at an uncontracted player, if no one better was available, I'd commit to McLaren.

You've asked what I'd do. To use your words, "I'm not unhappy with Saddington, 1,4,20,36 and McLaren" but I'd prefer a couple more kids.

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Yeh Sydney you are correct again. Clubs were queing up to get there hands on Campo. That pick 52 and Campo would definitely have got a Campo deal over the line.

Its funny, I heard Neil Balme the other day trying to respond to all these Collingwood supporters saying Campo is the best player in the draft, the Pies should pick him up and stuff Essendon* up at the same time. Neil Balme said he wanted too much money.

Perhaps what we should have done is what the Western Bulldogs did with Jade Rawlings, sign him up on a huge 4 year contract and then offload him in the last two years of his contract and pay his full wage whilst he plays for another club and chuck in a late draft pick whilst we are at it.

We only needed pick 50 or 51 and that gave us a third rounder. Laidley would have took it.

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...and paid him what?

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This does not alter the fact that no-one really wanted to give anything for Campo (not even Laidley) given his history and demands. Sheedy is only taking him cos he's going for nothing (but at a high cost and how does this really benefit Essendon* long term?).

Doesn't matter how much you wanted another Club to trade a 3rd round pick for him, no-one did.

Was that pre-season though? There was something up on afl.com last week about how Hawthorn were training the house down and wantd to play finals.

Every March Every team wants to play finals.

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No this was when he joined Carlton back in late 02

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Same difference isn't it? Appear crap, talk of positive days ahead. Its what Carlton Communications willbe doing for the next few months.

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