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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:24 pm 
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How the AFL equalisation tax is hitting 10 clubs this season.

COLLINGWOOD $500,000 (same next year)

HAWTHORN $500,000 (same)

WEST COAST $500,000 (same)

FREMANTLE $320,000 ($400,000)

GEELONG $300,000 ($390,000)

Essendon* $270,000 ($350,000)

CARLTON $250,000 ($330,000)

RICHMOND $200,000 ($270,000)

SYDNEY $140,000 ($190,000)

ADELAIDE $130,000 ($180,000)

Clubs that are above Carlton (and therefore more "equal" than Carlton on the ladder) are:

Adelaide, Collingwood, Essendon*, Hawthorn, Geelong, Melbourne, North Melbourne, Richmond, Western Bulldogs, St Kilda, Sydney, West Coast, Fremantle, Port Adelaide.

These clubs above must be glad that they can beat Carlton on the field on the weekends, and then also get money from them at the same time. Yes, everything is very equal.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:15 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... ivd7k.html


If the Bulldogs are doing so well then I am sure they are willing to hand back the hundreds of thousands of dollars they get each year as a result of the AFL's "equalisation" program.

This article seems to infer it was all due to their cagey recruiting and coaching that they scuttled up the ladder. People still believe this stuff?

Carlton, in contrast, was looking for a "quick fix" with its recruiting. Drafting is a gamble... when will people realise this? No one can guarantee that a youngster will turn out to be a star. In the 1980s you recruited players such as Ken Hunter who had proven himself at senior WAFL level. Now you recruit 17-18 year olds who can improve or implode....yet we are continually sold this "quick fix" line. This is simplistic journalism. There are various factors to Carlton's demise - and one of them is the lack of support from the AFL head office.


If recruiting success was a guarantee why did Tom Brady in the NFL go at pick 198 in his draft and not pick 1? He has just ended up being the best quarterback of all-time with four superbowl rings to his name. Hang on ! this writer is telling me that there are "quick fixes" and "astute recruiting"...seems like this writer doesn't realise it is a gamble. All recruiting is a gamble and at least in the NFL they have seen players perform for longer in the college football system, and it is still a gamble even then. Tom Brady...pick 198 or whatever it was..what a joke. Didn't the other 27? clubs that had a chance of recruiting Brady want to win? Maybe they deliberately bypassed Brady as they enjoyed missing out on Superbowl victories.


Which is the club that hasn't finished top 4 since 2001 - Carlton or the Bulldogs? and yet if "equalisation" was really an aim of the AFL's then surely a team that hasn't made the top 4 since 2001 should be a priority investment for them. Shame thy name is Carlton ...any team with a dfferent name would have been a prime investment for the AFL. ..


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:48 am 
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Caro said on FC that if Brisbane get a pp then so should we.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:11 am 
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Her reasoning was based on us having such a shit list.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:37 am 
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Nobody is going to get extra picks l

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Then it's up to Carlton to manufacture the best drafting position for itself. Play for that.


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That's exactly what we're doing, creating the most advantageous position for drafting and trading .

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bmaurizio wrote:
That's exactly what we're doing, creating the most advantageous position for drafting and trading .



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It's no coincidence that the fact that the Bulldogs are now starting to look good coincides with them being down at the right time and there was some astute recruiting involved. Whether you follow the line that you need as many high daft picks as you can get or whether you take a more conservative line - you can't just pull good players out of your ****. The good players still have to be available to draft or trade for. The Western Bulldogs took a bit of a risk on Stringer, for instance, but I'm sure they targeted him. Whereas the two clubs that had picks before them were more conservative. The Bulldogs had a plan at the right time even if it largely fell into place for them.

Those that maintain that it's all in the development and that the draft's a lottery share something in common with those who want to fill the side with 18 year old 'kids'. That is the fact that they think it's just going to happen.

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Pafloyul wrote:
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Those that maintain that it's all in the development and that the draft's a lottery share something in common with those who want to fill the side with 18 year old 'kids'. That is the fact that they think it's just going to happen.


I am going to agree that Carlton's recruiting/trading has for the majority of the time been bad. For too long errors have been made with recruiting- however, people out there believe this IS THE ONLY reason why Carlton has been rubbish for 10 plus years.

It is time to broaden the scope.

The AFL has an agenda and Carlton management needs to stand up to the bully.

Let's look at the "equalisation tax" - this should be Carlton's line in the sand moment. Instead they are as quiet as church mouse.
We have had Geelong's CEO, Collingwood's president, Adelaide's CEO, Hawthorn's CEO...etc etcall of them objecting to this tax. Where is Carlton...no objection to this tax at all.

Carlton's management is hiding in the bunker. Doing nothing, letting the AFL kick sand in its face. At the very least get out there and attack.
Pitch to the AFL, GET THEM TO DO SOMETHING FOR YOU for a change.

No tax should be paid, and instead hand outs should be given to Carlton like what the AFL sponsored North Melbourne get. An extra 2 million dividend this year is the minimum.

On the football show this morning - Leigh Matthews reviewed the match by discussing whether Brisbane should be given the priority pick...Hellloooo!!!

Carlton is the worst team in the competition and Brisbane just thrashed them by 10 goals...why are they discussing Brisbane and not Carlton's need for priority picks?

Give Melbourne, Brisbane and Carlton priority picks (and not just one priority pick each but two priority picks eg Carlton pick 1, 12 and 22). That is the only way they will get it past the media....but get it done.


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Nobody is going to get extra picks l



If that is the case the AFL will have a hard time selling their expected "record-breaking TV contract" if 3-4 teams per week are getting thrashed by 100 points. They supposedly want a better tv deal than the pommy/English rugby league game that is ironically masquerading as being "Australian". The NRL will get a better tv deal than the Australian sport of Australian "rules" football in the process. Imagine if in the USA an English game got a better tv deal than NFL, NBA or MLB.

Yet the AFL won't get the money they want if Hawthorn has to play Carlton twice a year...and thrash them by 100 points both times. If Adelaide has to play Essendon* twice a year..and thrash them by 120 points etc etc


Looks like the rugby league competition has more even matches...and yet they do it without a draft. They do it without "equalisation taxes", without gifts of millions to certain favoured clubs etc..if the AFL wants its billion dollar tv contract they better reassess the way they treat their "bottom" clubs or alternatively get rid of the draft.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:42 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Nobody is going to get extra picks l



If that is the case the AFL will have a hard time selling their expected "record-breaking TV contract" if 3-4 teams per week are getting thrashed by 100 points. They supposedly want a better tv deal than the pommy/English rugby league game that is ironically masquerading as being "Australian". The NRL will get a better tv deal than the Australian sport of Australian "rules" football in the process. Imagine if in the USA an English game got a better tv deal than NFL, NBA or MLB.

Yet the AFL won't get the money they want if Hawthorn has to play Carlton twice a year...and thrash them by 100 points both times. If Adelaide has to play Essendon** twice a year..and thrash them by 120 points etc etc



Looks like I was massively wrong on this one.

Seven/Fox etc will pay large sums for the AFL even when Carlton, Gold Coast, Brisbane and Essendon* are basically uncompetitive teams and get thrashed by 100 points on a regular basis.
Money will follow no matter how crap four teams are.


Lions got in first with the call for more money.
Carlton yet again was silent - with their head in the sand expecting the Titanic to turn around back to Southhampton anytime soon.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/lions-need-ex ... j2zg9.html


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I think you'd benefit from a really good root.

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there some really good roots out there.


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Apparently the club's already rooted...

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Can somebody tell me why there isn't SERIOUS media speculation that we will be getting a Priority Pick?
I don't know of any other team that has been in such turmoil on and off the field for this long.


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Aussie_Sparrow wrote:
Can somebody tell me why there isn't SERIOUS media speculation that we will be getting a Priority Pick?
I don't know of any other team that has been in such turmoil on and off the field for this long.


I think the club has already said it won't be asking.

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cimm1979 wrote:
Aussie_Sparrow wrote:
Can somebody tell me why there isn't SERIOUS media speculation that we will be getting a Priority Pick?
I don't know of any other team that has been in such turmoil on and off the field for this long.


I think the club has already said it won't be asking.



Miracles happen. It happened! oh happy days. This is an indication to me that Carlton is finally working out how this system works. Carlton went to the AFL seeking the priority pick. This shows to me that the new management has great maturity and understanding of how the AFL system works.


The AFL need to be really careful as to how many gifts they give their project teams of Melbourne, North Melbourne and Brisbane at this stage. The game is under threat from competing interests now, and to ignore their biggest drawcard (Carlton) is suicidal.



The priority pick for Carlton is warranted as the entry of GWS and Gold Coast has upset the normal momentum of the draft system.
Will the AFL have the guts to help out a team that has done more (arguably) to make it the number 1 sport in Australia than any other team?

If they give the priority pick I think they will bundle up the priority pick with Brisbane getting one too. Giving one just to Carlton despite the stats provided in this excellent article by Pierik would be a bridge too far for AFL management.




It is in the AFL's interest to assist Carlton...but I doubt they can see it...as they think the pot of gold is in Burleigh Heads when in fact their pot of GOLD is on the Royal Parade.


http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/rebu ... jk5p0.html


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:36 am 
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2012 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 6 OF THE TOP 12 PICKS.
2013 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 14 PICKS.
2014 draft - GWS and Gold Coast - 4 OF THE TOP 8 PICKS.

And yet one lousy extra pick for Carlton isn't warranted?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:03 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Nobody is going to get extra picks l

Hello, nice to see you back. So what's your take on everything going on at Carlton right now?


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