Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:32 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 128 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:36 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:39 pm
Posts: 1611
Location: charleston sc usa
Is Kouta a great Captain? isnt a talker on the field but in past his actions have lead the way. He is not capable of being the guy who marked the ball 12 times a quarter or a matchwinner any longer.

There isnt any one player in the 26 age group that immediately stands out and the guys between 23-26 are still finding their feet. There is no logical choice amongst the playin group

MOre the question should be what are we lookin for as a capt of this team?

a leader in his actions
a traffic cop on the field
a guy he would put another bloke in the locker if he disrespects a great past player
a media personae ability to communicate and think when journas are flinging questions out
???

_________________
Can smell the gf its there for the taking we are the form side


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:57 am 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:29 pm
Posts: 534
sandramd wrote:
Is Kouta a great Captain? isnt a talker on the field but in past his actions have lead the way. He is not capable of being the guy who marked the ball 12 times a quarter or a matchwinner any longer.

There isnt any one player in the 26 age group that immediately stands out and the guys between 23-26 are still finding their feet. There is no logical choice amongst the playin group

MOre the question should be what are we lookin for as a capt of this team?

a leader in his actions
a traffic cop on the field
a guy he would put another bloke in the locker if he disrespects a great past player
a media personae ability to communicate and think when journas are flinging questions out
???


Well summed up Sandra.
I want a disciplined leader who can set the exapmple ON and OFF the field.
Have we ever seen Kouta overwieght? He has had knee reco's and missed several pre seasons but he has never been fat? Never, just ripped.
Nick Stevens on the other hand had sore groins after seasons end which legistimised in his eyes him starting the pre season overwieght.
Kouta will pass the baton on in 2007 but it is a sad day when our future leader has his own personal demons to deal with particularly off the field.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:40 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
In my experience the best leaders are the ones who lead by example, who show the way. On that score Kouta 'walks the walk'.

Actions not words define a person.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:58 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am
Posts: 35135
The only thing I hate about Kouta is that we were robbed of seeing his very best IMO.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:16 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:27 pm
Posts: 5270
Wojee wrote:
The only thing I hate about Kouta is that we were robbed of seeing his very best IMO.


Yeah......... it's bloody devastating :(

_________________
The problem will be made. for the solution to be sold, to your face before your eyes, tolerance is now the new danger


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:20 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:27 am
Posts: 28528
Location: Free Beer!!
BigBlind wrote:
Wojee wrote:
The only thing I hate about Kouta is that we were robbed of seeing his very best IMO.


Yeah......... it's bloody devastating :(


If we could take back that night against Essendon* in 2000 we might be dreaming of flag 19 at the moment

_________________
"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:36 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
In my experience the best leaders are the ones who lead by example, who show the way. On that score Kouta 'walks the walk'.

Actions not words define a person.


Ok, so you dont know much about leadership.. as well as footy.

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:45 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:54 pm
Posts: 5274
Location: Melbourne
He is the only man for the job we have at the moment so we can't complain.
It's not like we have a man with a character of Ted Whitten, Michael Jordan or William Wallace waiting in the wings.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 7:46 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
Anyone know how the players rate Kouta as a captain?

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:01 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
camelboy wrote:
Anyone know how the players rate Kouta as a captain?


What would that group of kids know about what a captain should be like?
They dont know any better.

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:20 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Synbad wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
In my experience the best leaders are the ones who lead by example, who show the way. On that score Kouta 'walks the walk'.

Actions not words define a person.


Ok, so you dont know much about leadership.. as well as footy.


Of course I don't Synbad, thats why I was a section commander at age 21, the youngest in the Army at the time. BTW How many games of footy did you play again?

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:27 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
Synbad wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
In my experience the best leaders are the ones who lead by example, who show the way. On that score Kouta 'walks the walk'.

Actions not words define a person.


Ok, so you dont know much about leadership.. as well as footy.


Of course I don't Synbad, thats why I was a section commander at age 21, the youngest in the Army at the time. BTW How many games of footy did you play again?
I played enough games of footy and our standard was probably the same. i cant say i led a football team..ever...

But i think ive led a heap of things...

But the youngest 'section commander' in the army???
Is that what you call yourselves when a section of you went to the pub on your days off???Or was that the section that were the main players in bastardisation? :-D
I know!!!! the section commander held the compass during the orienteering exercises.

Good job soldier.. carry on...

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:37 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Showing good leadership there Synbad. Personally attack the person you disagree with.

BTW There is a big difference between U16 local footy and senior representative footy.

Oh and it is a "boozer' not a pub.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:43 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
Showing good leadership there Synbad. Personally attack the person you disagree with.

BTW There is a big difference between U16 local footy and senior representative footy.

Oh and it is a "boozer' not a pub.


Ok so you held the compass.

Stop complaining Mark...!!

Again you brought me up on a post when i havent mentioned you in weeks.

Then you do the "WAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA he said stuff about me.."

Just stick to holding the compass /.

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:09 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Oh dear Synners, you poor boy rewriting history again. Who qouted who? I just gave an opinion on leadership thats all.

One thing I do know is that leadership is not about ranting and raving.

Leadership is about setting the example, having a clear set of prinicples that you abide by. It is about providing guidence and advice to those less experienced than you. It is about providing encouragement and when needed a quiet word to those you are responsible for. It is about standing up for people when they are being derided. It is about doing the hard yards when everyone else is dropping off. It is about being humble and crediting others for success.

I have seen Kouta do all of these things time and again.

Is he the leader for the future, will he be around for our next Premiership? Even Kouta acknowledges he won't be. But he is the right leader for our club right now? Yes he is. Success is often built on the example set by those who went before.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:15 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
Oh dear Synners, you poor boy rewriting history again. Who qouted who? I just gave an opinion on leadership thats all.

One thing I do know is that leadership is not about ranting and raving.

Leadership is about setting the example, having a clear set of prinicples that you abide by. It is about providing guidence and advice to those less experienced than you. It is about providing encouragement and when needed a quiet word to those you are responsible for. It is about standing up for people when they are being derided. It is about doing the hard yards when everyone else is dropping off. It is about being humble and crediting others for success.

I have seen Kouta do all of these things time and again.

Is he the leader for the future, will he be around for our next Premiership? Even Kouta acknowledges he won't be. But he is the right leader for our club right now? Yes he is. Success is often built on the example set by those who went before.


Ok thaNK you for your opinion BM...

But how do you know he is the right leader??

who else has been tried???

See leadership goes all the way up.

And with leadership sometimes there is taking a risk.

Because when youre last you dont cling to everything you have been doing like clingging onto life itself.

You take a chance because with a chance comes reward...

Doing the same .. only achieves you stay static.

Kouta captain for another year means we have a guy who wont be there the year after that captain because were too frightened from doing something different.. and in stead holding onto a nothing captain for more of the same.

There has never been succesful leadership that was too shit scared to try anything different in the history of the world..!!!!

:wink:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:29 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Risk taking is not something we should be doing right now.

Slowly rebuilding our strenght is what we should be doing. To identify the next leader we should be setting tasks for the younger group to prove thier abilities. Allow them to develop and show what they can do. Then select the best candiate to succeed Kouta

Leadership is about timing not risk taking.

At the moment the club is rebuilding its foundations and this always takes time. And if we do not pay attention to this, we will continue to struggle.

In sport as in war. Victory is always built on the back of a lot of careful planning and meticulous preparation.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:33 am 
Offline
Horrie Clover

Joined: Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:58 pm
Posts: 300
Location: Tasmania
( BM. quote ) Leadership is about setting the example, having a clear set of prinicples that you abide by. It is about providing guidence and advice to those less experienced than you. It is about providing encouragement and when needed a quiet word to those you are responsible for. It is about standing up for people when they are being derided. It is about doing the hard yards when everyone else is dropping off. It is about being humble and crediting others for success.

Great post there BM.

It's not possible to be on top of the heap always. I've been at clubs when we've finished on the top and when we've finished down the bottom and the people that are consistent with their efforts no matter what your ladder position are the ones that are most admired and respected.

Kouta surely falls into this catagory.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:34 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18078
Lets not bicker over who killed who.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:36 am 
Offline
Bert Deacon

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:29 pm
Posts: 534
Synbad,

You have given us your proposed leader (Nick Stevens). Like I said he had sore groins which gave him the right to turn up overwieght for pre season. Kouta has had knee reco's, not even participate in pre seasons and would not carry an ounce of fat.
You can criticise Kouta but like in politics you need to be a viable alternative before you come into power. I want our next leader to be faultless on and off the field. Nick has a long way to go before he qualifies.
Until then Kouta keeps the job and Nick sorts out his head.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 128 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Pecker and 39 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group