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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:11 am 
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He said it's ok to lose?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:14 am 
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I still believe in Bolton but it's now abundantly clear that he's gone too early with the new game plan... clearly he's succumbed to external pressures but players have NFI what they're doing out there.

With the loss of Doc, no Gibbs and plenty of youngsters out there, one more year of defensive structures would've been far more beneficial for this group.

Yes hindsight has 20/20 vision and wtf do we know as supporters and all that... but wtf are they doing up in the coaches box?


Surely it was time to start focussing on becoming more offensive to win more games

Not scoring 100 points in 2 years is just plain embarrassing

Too many excuses for this club

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:14 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Bolton in his presser saying its not what we stand for.
Seriously he is clueless.
You spend 2 years telling the players it is ok to lose then this is what you stand for.
Successful football teams are built by a group of mates all working as one.
These players will be flat out knowing the guy standing next to them in the locker room we turn so many over.
As bad as Pagan and Malthouse was this guy is worse there could be no coming back from this in our life time.
Complete change of culture to a losing culture

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When has he ever said this?


Has always said we aren’t measured by wins and losses....this is dangerously close to the same thing.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:18 am 
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He also says he aims to win each game. So they are not the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:19 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Bolton in his presser saying its not what we stand for.
Seriously he is clueless.
You spend 2 years telling the players it is ok to lose then this is what you stand for.
Successful football teams are built by a group of mates all working as one.
These players will be flat out knowing the guy standing next to them in the locker room we turn so many over.
As bad as Pagan and Malthouse was this guy is worse there could be no coming back from this in our life time.
Complete change of culture to a losing culture

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You are confusing (probably on purpose to suit your argument) what he really tells the player vs what he is strictly taught in media training to tell the media to avoid the club as a whole having to deal with unhelpful news paper headlines.

And please don't say the players will get that message because they see/hear the media quotes. They are grown men who understand why the media statements are required and don't confuse that whit what they are directly told about the need to win.

Ps: I'm not trying to change your mind re your opinion of Bolts. It's clear from all your posts that you hold a very strong opinion on him and you may in fact be right. I don't know. But that little bit above just isn't factual.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:22 am 
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Hornet wrote:
I still believe in Bolton but it's now abundantly clear that he's gone too early with the new game plan... clearly he's succumbed to external pressures but players have NFI what they're doing out there.

With the loss of Doc, no Gibbs and plenty of youngsters out there, one more year of defensive structures would've been far more beneficial for this group.

Yes hindsight has 20/20 vision and wtf do we know as supporters and all that... but wtf are they doing up in the coaches box?



i think this is key.

If anything we went too early with the offensive game plan ... we arent capable yet, in body and mind, especially with our defence in the state that it is in at the moment.

Docherty is proving to be a bigger loss than antcipated and simply can not be replaced
Marchbank is a huge loss for a month
Rowe/ASOS are big losses
Williamson run of the defence is a big loss

Weitering (i still have faith) is down on confidence
Jones (i think he can still play the role he players last year - but only when we have everything in place)
Simpson (through no fault of his own is not the player he was - thats just age getting the better of him)

Plowman (who looks injured) is the only one i can think of that is playing ok defensively.

Ive always said it stems from Defence. If you have a solid defence, which we do when they are all up running, we are a vastly different side!

We still have a huge holes everywhere. Our defence is decimated, our midfield (no murphy/no gibbs) and our forward line has been a shambles since we lost fevola/betts/waite and co ...

Yeah, we got alot of shit to fix.

I dont think its Bolton fault, by any stretch of the imagintation,

we are very young, even younger yesterday with the injuries to our senior players ...
we have very little talent from the 23-30 age group, none of which are leaders IMO

i actually think, the only way forward is to play as many youngters as we can (as long as they arent going to break down due to their bodies not being ready) ... and forget the win/loss

lets see what we have our youth.

I see zero point in playing the likes of Lamb/Graeme/THomas/Kerridge and co .... not that they arent good enough for our bottom 6 players, but becuase we know they are nothing more than that. We dont know what we have yet in some of our kids.

Id play McKay/O'brien and co for the rest of the year (pending no issue with body) with a total team defence the goal, just to see what we have ... and then make a call ...


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:24 am 
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The don't get too high low stuff is just rubbish.

They're not robots, let them be human and go through the highs and lows. It tells you a lot more about their character and leadership and helps sort the wheat from the chaff.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:27 am 
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Where is the mid field?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:34 am 
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You need to listen and cut through the crap.
You see people like Bolton every day they are smooth talkers say all the right things at the right time and they get by because people are gullible and buy into it.
But there is no substance to what he says it's all one liners and clichés.
He sends out signals and excuses to protect his job.
Right now in a round about way he is trying to blame SOS for these loses.
He mentions the list turnover and 42 players at every presser.
He also says that they need time. This is code for don't blame me I haven't had long enough with these players.
If we keep going down this track the players wont be around.
You can see by the way the team is performing that the players have had enough of the bullshit.
His message is lost and no substance
He has been to the School of Kevin Rudd and now just like Kevin he is being found out

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:34 am 
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The approach of trying to be more attacking this year is the right approach IMO.

The problem so far is the players just aren't prepared mentally for it and that's down to the assistant coaches... Barker I'm looking at you.

The lack of imposing senior players can't be understated as well. Kreuzer, Cripps, Ed and Simmo and that's it. Murph, Thomas and Levi give nothing of benefit to our young guys.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:47 am 
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MIL wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Bolton in his presser saying its not what we stand for.
Seriously he is clueless.
You spend 2 years telling the players it is ok to lose then this is what you stand for.
Successful football teams are built by a group of mates all working as one.
These players will be flat out knowing the guy standing next to them in the locker room we turn so many over.
As bad as Pagan and Malthouse was this guy is worse there could be no coming back from this in our life time.
Complete change of culture to a losing culture

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When has he ever said this?


Has always said we aren’t measured by wins and losses....this is dangerously close to the same thing.


No. It's not even close.
He's saying the focus has to be on the development aspects of the games. Winning the ball, pressure, tackling, adhering to structures, commitment. If you focus on the development aspects of the game, the outcomes will take care of themselves.
No, we're not doing it well at the moment but those areas have to be the focus.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:49 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
You need to listen and cut through the crap.
You see people like Bolton every day they are smooth talkers say all the right things at the right time and they get by because people are gullible and buy into it.
But there is no substance to what he says it's all one liners and clichés.
He sends out signals and excuses to protect his job.
Right now in a round about way he is trying to blame SOS for these loses.
He mentions the list turnover and 42 players at every presser.
He also says that they need time. This is code for don't blame me I haven't had long enough with these players.
If we keep going down this track the players wont be around.
You can see by the way the team is performing that the players have had enough of the bullshit.
His message is lost and no substance
He has been to the School of Kevin Rudd and now just like Kevin he is being found out

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Who should we get instead?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:01 am 
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The stats are damning: 1 win in last 14 games. 36 games without scoring over 100 points. Conceded 64 goals in 1st four games this season.

and with 19 first round draft picks on the list, that's alotta toys to be playing with here.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:07 am 
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Maybe the best thing to happen is we get so bad the AFL get involved like at Melbourne and we can finally get rid of the board.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:25 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
MIL wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Bolton in his presser saying its not what we stand for.
Seriously he is clueless.
You spend 2 years telling the players it is ok to lose then this is what you stand for.
Successful football teams are built by a group of mates all working as one.
These players will be flat out knowing the guy standing next to them in the locker room we turn so many over.
As bad as Pagan and Malthouse was this guy is worse there could be no coming back from this in our life time.
Complete change of culture to a losing culture

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When has he ever said this?


Has always said we aren’t measured by wins and losses....this is dangerously close to the same thing.


No. It's not even close.
He's saying the focus has to be on the development aspects of the games. Winning the ball, pressure, tackling, adhering to structures, commitment. If you focus on the development aspects of the game, the outcomes will take care of themselves.
No, we're not doing it well at the moment but those areas have to be the focus.


Didn’t mean it in the literal sense. I know the idea behind it but the danger is that the need to win is watered down, and right now, for so many reasons this club needs some wins.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:26 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Maybe the best thing to happen is we get so bad the AFL get involved like at Melbourne and we can finally get rid of the board.


Hmmm, I like that :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:31 am 
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MIL wrote:
Adam Chatfield wrote:
Maybe the best thing to happen is we get so bad the AFL get involved like at Melbourne and we can finally get rid of the board.


Hmmm, I like that :thumbsup:

I don't know about getting rid of the board, but there are certainly some in the upper levels who need a kick up the arse.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:36 am 
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I think he needs help.
All successful sides have very good assistant coaches and tactician.
Bolton needs to stick to his one liners and clichés and bring in someone to take over the tactics and training.
He would be a good leader if he did that but football is an ego driven industry not many do it.
But those that do are usually successful.
Parkin / Brittain
Roos / Longmire
Longmire/Dew


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:37 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
You need to listen and cut through the crap.
You see people like Bolton every day they are smooth talkers say all the right things at the right time and they get by because people are gullible and buy into it.
But there is no substance to what he says it's all one liners and clichés.
He sends out signals and excuses to protect his job.
Right now in a round about way he is trying to blame SOS for these loses.
He mentions the list turnover and 42 players at every presser.
He also says that they need time. This is code for don't blame me I haven't had long enough with these players.
If we keep going down this track the players wont be around.
You can see by the way the team is performing that the players have had enough of the bullshit.
His message is lost and no substance
He has been to the School of Kevin Rudd and now just like Kevin he is being found out

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In case you missed it in my last post (or chose to ignore it because its not in line with your opinion) it is all specific media training by the club. He is saying the exact things the club has asked him to do we can avoid the usual media scrutiny about wins vs losses and stop the papers getting too negative on us. It worked perfectly last year and this preseason. Unfortunately we have been poorer than we would have hoped to start the year so it won't continue to work but stop confusing the club's media spin (delivered by Bolts) vs what the true internal metrics and messages are.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 am 
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Crippa wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
You need to listen and cut through the crap.
You see people like Bolton every day they are smooth talkers say all the right things at the right time and they get by because people are gullible and buy into it.
But there is no substance to what he says it's all one liners and clichés.
He sends out signals and excuses to protect his job.
Right now in a round about way he is trying to blame SOS for these loses.
He mentions the list turnover and 42 players at every presser.
He also says that they need time. This is code for don't blame me I haven't had long enough with these players.
If we keep going down this track the players wont be around.
You can see by the way the team is performing that the players have had enough of the bullshit.
His message is lost and no substance
He has been to the School of Kevin Rudd and now just like Kevin he is being found out

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In case you missed it in my last post (or chose to ignore it because its not in line with your opinion) it is all specific media training by the club. He is saying the exact things the club has asked him to do we can avoid the usual media scrutiny about wins vs losses and stop the papers getting too negative on us. It worked perfectly last year and this preseason. Unfortunately we have been poorer than we would have hoped to start the year so it won't continue to work but stop confusing the club's media spin (delivered by Bolts) vs what the true internal metrics and messages are.
If you are senior coach and you are not speaking your mind and are saying things that some media training person at the club has told you to say.
Well if this is the case please leave now

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