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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:13 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
The first issue with your point is getting those players mentioned wanting to come to the club, especially when we couldn't even attract Smith when we looked a lot better as a team.
Harry is only worth a goal or two? Well I strongly disagree with you as he's pretty much doing that now in his first year as a senior.
And finally, games are won in the midfield!
You also made the point that we would regret not taking Lukosius. What happens after 2 years and he wants to go home? Or what if we miss the next Joel Selwood or Andy McLeod?
Personally I'd rather the club take a goal kicking midfielder that can help contain the ball in our half of the ground or can link and hit targets when we are running off the half back line.

For me, this has to be a consideration.
Adelaide isn't my favourite city but those who live there all their lives seem to think it is OK.
We have been pretty lucky over the years with interstate players but that was before the days when they could win a flag at home and their family didn't have to cross the border every week to watch them play.
The AFL website is now saying Walsh is the #1 prospect (and he's Victorian). It's only one person't opinion but t shows that even the top end is a bitof a gamble as to who will be the best. I agree with the idea of selecting a mid. Unless we have a midfield that can create F50 entries, we could have Peter Hudson, Jezza and John Coleman in the forward line and still not get goals.



Jezza wasn’t exactly a stay at home Full Forward, when he played there, he would have found a way.

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So we should recruit Lukosius and play him at CHB until we have a good midfield? Or are you saying he can play midfield?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:04 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
The first issue with your point is getting those players mentioned wanting to come to the club, especially when we couldn't even attract Smith when we looked a lot better as a team.
Harry is only worth a goal or two? Well I strongly disagree with you as he's pretty much doing that now in his first year as a senior.
And finally, games are won in the midfield!
You also made the point that we would regret not taking Lukosius. What happens after 2 years and he wants to go home? Or what if we miss the next Joel Selwood or Andy McLeod?
Personally I'd rather the club take a goal kicking midfielder that can help contain the ball in our half of the ground or can link and hit targets when we are running off the half back line.

For me, this has to be a consideration.
Adelaide isn't my favourite city but those who live there all their lives seem to think it is OK.
We have been pretty lucky over the years with interstate players but that was before the days when they could win a flag at home and their family didn't have to cross the border every week to watch them play.
The AFL website is now saying Walsh is the #1 prospect (and he's Victorian). It's only one person't opinion but t shows that even the top end is a bitof a gamble as to who will be the best. I agree with the idea of selecting a mid. Unless we have a midfield that can create F50 entries, we could have Peter Hudson, Jezza and John Coleman in the forward line and still not get goals.



Jezza wasn’t exactly a stay at home Full Forward, when he played there, he would have found a way.

:wink:

Please don't compare that era's midfield with the current lot.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:26 pm 
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AFL plans for priority pick applications from lowly Blues and Suns
By Jake Niall
14 August 2018 — 7:55pm

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The AFL is preparing for Carlton and Gold Coast to make applications for priority draft picks at the end of the season.

The expectation from the league is that both clubs will apply, as they must to have a chance of receiving an extra draft pick under the rules. Carlton and Gold Coast have won two and four games respectively in 2018, occupying the bottom two positions on the table.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:40 pm 
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We need to go hard for a mid first round pick P.P. End of first round just will not do. Ask/demand pick 2 but settle for mid first.
About f##### time we were given some help when you consider what the expansions received.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:58 pm 
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We need to ask for multiple picks ...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:41 pm 
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smithy wrote:
We need to go hard for a mid first round pick P.P. End of first round just will not do. Ask/demand pick 2 but settle for mid first.
About f##### time we were given some help when you consider what the expansions received.


This


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:57 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
smithy wrote:
We need to go hard for a mid first round pick P.P. End of first round just will not do. Ask/demand pick 2 but settle for mid first.
About f##### time we were given some help when you consider what the expansions received.


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A priority pick is a gift. Do you demand a Ferrari for your birthday?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:27 pm 
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Not sure this is the right thread but worth a listen

http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/co ... s/10058728

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:28 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
smithy wrote:
We need to go hard for a mid first round pick P.P. End of first round just will not do. Ask/demand pick 2 but settle for mid first.
About f##### time we were given some help when you consider what the expansions received.


This

A priority pick is a gift. Do you demand a Ferrari for your birthday?



No but you might if you had two broken legs (even if you may then be useless with it without legs).


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:22 pm 
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I mentioned this months ago and finally the AFL and the AFL's public figure Caroline Wilson are waking up to reality.

Whilst "the look of the game committee" goes on about the look of the game, and are determined to turn the game into glorified netball. Will forwards have to wear goal attack bibs and never leave the forward 50? the real problem is the teams at the bottom- Carlton, Gold Coast, St Kilda etc. What I said months ago are "Dead rubbers" for the teams that get AFL assistance via the draft, trading and free agency - ie Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney.

to solve "congestion" have they thought of perhaps limiting interchange?
In the 1970 g/f I believe the first interchange was probably at half time...now you would have 68 interchanges by halftime.

On Footy Classified -
Matthew Lloyd - "Gc, st Kilda and carlton – there has been some talk that they’ll all get priority picks."

Caroline Wilson

"That is definitely the conversation going on at the moment, and I say again the AFL needs to do a lot more about these footy clubs. That is what is wrong with the competition not the look of the game."

The "funny" thing about all this is that people in the general public think Carlton getting a priority pick will turn around their fortune. It won't.
Not whilst drafting, trading, free agency all helps to bolster a system in which the strong get stronger.


The number one question is - why do Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn make nearly ever final series? The lazy answer is "good management". Look into the system. A system in which Geelong can "recruit" Dangerfield effectively for pick 9 and 28. So they get a Brownlow medallist, Leigh Matthew medallist, perpetual All-Australian, arguably the best player in the game in 2016 & Adelaide only get two lousy picks?

Adelaide should have been able to put him out to the market place and see what other clubs could offer...make Geelong give up something to get him.
A "fair" deal would have been:

Pick 9, pick 28 and a good player from Geelong....or another 1st round draft pick....but the system doesn't allow trades that assists all clubs.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:40 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
I mentioned this months ago and finally the AFL and the AFL's public figure Caroline Wilson are waking up to reality.

Whilst "the look of the game committee" goes on about the look of the game, and are determined to turn the game into glorified netball. Will forwards have to wear goal attack bibs and never leave the forward 50? the real problem is the teams at the bottom- Carlton, Gold Coast, St Kilda etc. What I said months ago are "Dead rubbers" for the teams that get AFL assistance via the draft, trading and free agency - ie Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney.

to solve "congestion" have they thought of perhaps limiting interchange?
In the 1970 g/f I believe the first interchange was probably at half time...now you would have 68 interchanges by halftime.

On Footy Classified -
Matthew Lloyd - "Gc, st Kilda and carlton – there has been some talk that they’ll all get priority picks."

Caroline Wilson

"That is definitely the conversation going on at the moment, and I say again the AFL needs to do a lot more about these footy clubs. That is what is wrong with the competition not the look of the game."

The "funny" thing about all this is that people in the general public think Carlton getting a priority pick will turn around their fortune. It won't.
Not whilst drafting, trading, free agency all helps to bolster a system in which the strong get stronger.


The number one question is - why do Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn make nearly ever final series? The lazy answer is "good management". Look into the system. A system in which Geelong can "recruit" Dangerfield effectively for pick 9 and 28. So they get a Brownlow medallist, Leigh Matthew medallist, perpetual All-Australian, arguably the best player in the game in 2016 & Adelaide only get two lousy picks?

Adelaide should have been able to put him out to the market place and see what other clubs could offer...make Geelong give up something to get him.
A "fair" deal would have been:

Pick 9, pick 28 and a good player from Geelong....or another 1st round draft pick....but the system doesn't allow trades that assists all clubs.


Why hasn’t anyone mentioned this before? :eek:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:49 pm 
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AFL plans for priority pick applications from lowly Blues and Suns
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14 August 2018 — 7:55pm

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The AFL is preparing for Carlton and Gold Coast to make applications for priority draft picks at the end of the season.

The expectation from the league is that both clubs will apply, as they must to have a chance of receiving an extra draft pick under the rules. Carlton and Gold Coast have won two and four games respectively in 2018, occupying the bottom two positions on the table.



WRONG !

Even Gil said its not a rule...just his made up convention as if its always been the way to apply forever and a day because he likes people grovelling to him.

Gil is a slimy weasel, the game would be much better off without him in charge.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:25 am 
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makes statement in May from Chad Liddle look very stupid or at least evidence of a very green CEO - not understanding the play - stupidly locked club into position when he didn't need to - then do the 180 degrees 4 months later - stupid and does nothing for clubs credibility

We should get one and yes we should be maximizing the position in the draft that it is provided


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:35 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
makes statement in May from Chad Liddle look very stupid or at least evidence of a very green CEO - not understanding the play - stupidly locked club into position when he didn't need to - then do the 180 degrees 4 months later - stupid and does nothing for clubs credibility

We should get one and yes we should be maximizing the position in the draft that it is provided


100% disagree with this, you couldn't be further away from the truth if you tried.

In May no one wanted us to get a PP, in fact everyone was hostile towards the club about the possibility. Liddle said the right thing at the right time.

Now everyone wants to give us a PP, even the perpetual haters are now on board.

The clubs credibility would only be tarnished if they don't apply for a PP now.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:12 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
Liddle said the right thing at the right time...


The right thing would have been 'not appropriate for the club to discuss that at this juncture' ...


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:18 am 
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Correct.

"We are focused on winning games"

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:22 am 
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robertbb wrote:
Correct.

"We are focused on winning games"


or...

"Unfortunately, although the answer is indeed clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear."


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:46 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
smithy wrote:
We need to go hard for a mid first round pick P.P. End of first round just will not do. Ask/demand pick 2 but settle for mid first.
About f##### time we were given some help when you consider what the expansions received.


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A priority pick is a gift. Do you demand a Ferrari for your birthday?


Terrible comparison. One is a birthday gift and one is a rule of the game. There is actually a rule that gives out PPs. In the best interests of the club we need to lobby hard for a high draft pick. If we aren't then I would be shocked.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:56 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-plans-for-priority-pick-applications-from-lowly-blues-and-suns-20180814-p4zxia.html

AFL plans for priority pick applications from lowly Blues and Suns
By Jake Niall
14 August 2018 — 7:55pm

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The AFL is preparing for Carlton and Gold Coast to make applications for priority draft picks at the end of the season.

The expectation from the league is that both clubs will apply, as they must to have a chance of receiving an extra draft pick under the rules. Carlton and Gold Coast have won two and four games respectively in 2018, occupying the bottom two positions on the table.



WRONG !

Even Gil said its not a rule...just his made up convention as if its always been the way to apply forever and a day because he likes people grovelling to him.

Gil is a slimy weasel, the game would be much better off without him in charge.

He is! And we would!
If he was a Dickensian charCter, I wonder what he would have been called...
Gilfred Slitherington?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:05 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Correct.

"We are focused on winning games"


or...

"Unfortunately, although the answer is indeed clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear."


Now that's simple English anyone can understand. :clap:

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