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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:45 pm 
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its just stupid ...

its fan vision, not broadcaster vision ... so do we stop play, wait for 30 mins for everyone to submit their own footage .. then we can make an assessment if it was touched or not ...

give me a spell ...


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:48 pm 
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Looking forward to Motlop's return because Fantasia isn't the answer and is a selfish footballer.


Second at Carlton for goal assists per game Doc. Not the stat I'd expect from a selfish player. IMO, he'll be great value if he can build his fitness. Laid a great tackle on Fyfe inside defensive 50 yesterday, followed up with the handball receive and drilled a super pass inside 50. We don't have many players with his skill. He's easily best 22 when he's fit IMHO.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 3:50 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.



I think you'll find that the 'stand' rule has already turned the game into a bit of a farce.

Not to mention that players continually walk the ball out without having sufficient intent to keep it in, that umpires' adjudication of what constitutes 15m changes depending on whether the ball is kicked or the player is running with it, that umpires refuse to bring players with the ball back on the correct line, that the ruck 'blocking rule' is a complete joke, and that women still don't play best-of-five sets and get equal prize money. :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:18 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
its just stupid ...

its fan vision, not broadcaster vision ... so do we stop play, wait for 30 mins for everyone to submit their own footage .. then we can make an assessment if it was touched or not ...

give me a spell ...


Don't stop there, let's adjudicate games by twitter poll, really take fan engagement to the next level


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:28 pm 
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So one-eyed it borders on stupidity. When the shoe is on the other foot, Carlton fans will be the biggest bleeters and the rest of the footy world will simply say "karma". You don't care about the game, you only care that Carlton wins and don't care how it happens.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:30 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.


Happen to us in a Preliminary ? well it did actually to our advantage . The Doug Wade / Peter Barry thing . I was right behind that in the standing room area and to this day i have no clue . Now that is going back a long long way so it has been going on for yonks . People have been pissed off since Adam was a boy and they always will . I suggest you all get over it . Part of the game forever . Take the good with the bad .

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:43 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:

Hopefully the coaches dissect this game how it should be dissected. Our midfield is desperate for Walsh because it's not working at present and will probably take a loss for some to see it.



Why wait for a loss? Lets get cracking and figure this out.
What is it that you see Doc why our midfield isn't working?

Last year during the year we had Walshy playing HF and joining the midfield group from there. Then in Finals he became the midfield staple.
But we won games without Walshy against the best midfields last year: Demons, Pies Saints. Gosh we beat some of them without Walsh and Cerra.


So something was going right for us with and without Walsh last year. So what's changed since then?
Give us a hint. Maybe the hint is related to a huge drop in clearances. Only thing that has changed from last year's winning midfield scenarios is Pittonet was our preferred No 1 ruck.

Interesting is that the other glaring issue we have this year, is also related to this change in ruck is we have no 3rd marking target with SOS injured and TDK playing No 1 ruck.

With Pitto looking fit, I'm sure this is a change high on the MC's agenda. Is that what you're alluding to Doc?

I'm all for 2 rucks with SOS not being an option, for more reasons than the 2 scenarios above we need to fix.

I mentioned at half time yesterday I wish we had Clark Keating to come in and just bash and crash the centre bounce and ruck contests to get the ball where we wanted it, because it seems to me this year, including last week against NM, TDK's taps aren't to our advantage.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:14 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.


Please no. The game will become NFL if we start challenging decisions. While this one was obvious with the right angle there will be others that are subjective. Can you imagine a GF decided by a contentious HTB, that’s then overturned…..

Umpires are human, the game is played in real time, let’s leave it that way. We’ll get our whack at some point


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:17 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.


Please no. The game will become NFL if we start challenging decisions. While this one was obvious with the right angle there will be others that are subjective. Can you imagine a GF decided by a contentious HTB, that’s then overturned…..

Umpires are human, the game is played in real time, let’s leave it that way. We’ll get our whack at some point


It's obviously not for the grey areas. It's for the Adelaide non-goal that robbed them of a finals berth and for instances like yesterday. We're in 2024. This stuff shouldn't be happening.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:20 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.


Happen to us in a Preliminary ? well it did actually to our advantage . The Doug Wade / Peter Barry thing . I was right behind that in the standing room area and to this day i have no clue . Now that is going back a long long way so it has been going on for yonks . People have been pissed off since Adam was a boy and they always will . I suggest you all get over it . Part of the game forever . Take the good with the bad .


That’s right, time evens the score


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:20 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
So something was going right for us with and without Walsh last year. So what's changed since then?
Give us a hint. Maybe the hint is related to a huge drop in clearances. Only thing that has changed from last year's winning midfield scenarios is Pittonet was our preferred No 1 ruck.


Clearance from stoppages was fine yesterday. It's the drinking the bathwater and not respecting the opponent enough. Spreading forward of centre looks great when it comes off, not so much when it doesn't.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:23 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
missnaut wrote:
They've said it's a mistake.
They've also said the dissent call was 100% there and wouldn't repeat what was said. So it clearly was more than a suggestion to visit Specsavers.


Not arguing the dissent call. But four umpires obviously doesn't mean more eyes. So make a rule change. Bring in a coaches challenge. Don't know if that is the answer but bring in something so this doesn't happen again. It's fine to have a bit of Carlton arrogance, but when it happens to us in a Prelim - there'll just be a lot of tears. The game is great, but it has the potential to turn into a bit of a farce the way things are going.


Please no. The game will become NFL if we start challenging decisions. While this one was obvious with the right angle there will be others that are subjective. Can you imagine a GF decided by a contentious HTB, that’s then overturned…..

Umpires are human, the game is played in real time, let’s leave it that way. We’ll get our whack at some point


It's obviously not for the grey areas. It's for the Adelaide non-goal that robbed them of a finals berth and for instances like yesterday. We're in 2024. This stuff shouldn't be happening.


So it gets called touched, then what happens? We had the ball, do we lose that advantage. It was too late to call play on, the umpire clearly didn’t see it.

The Adelaide issue is different because they have a mechanism to review, but to allow coaches to challenge…I’m just not sure what happens.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:38 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
Talk of freos goals from frees is silly. I reckon every single one was there.

There were a couple missed but we as a football community get so caught up with free kicks and whataboutism because our game is ridiculous :lol:


McGovern's spoil was legal IMHO

And...will be in the minority but Acres is allowed to take 2-3 steps to kick a ball after the touched ball he marked!!!
He cannot be expected to kick on the spot...that decision was harsh given sometimes players are spun 540 degrees and it's 'play on'

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:44 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
The Adelaide issue is different because they have a mechanism to review, but to allow coaches to challenge…I’m just not sure what happens.


Bounce the ball post-review. If the club who review gets it wrong, free kick against. And those that think only 'fan footage' showed the Aish deflection - sorry, you're wrong.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:53 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
So one-eyed it borders on stupidity. When the shoe is on the other foot, Carlton fans will be the biggest bleeters and the rest of the footy world will simply say "karma". You don't care about the game, you only care that Carlton wins and don't care how it happens.


Sam Walsh was robbed of a free kick in the last 5 seconds against Collingwood in 2022. He was 20m out directly in front and we were less than a goal down

Walsh kicks the goal, Carlton win and play finals...I only brought it up because it's a swings and roundabouts business we live in

Shit happens, mistakes are made but the bleating on this one is from the Carlton hating public trying to latch onto something

I'm more than comfortable that the "degree of error" by the ump(s) yesterday was on the lower end (not talking about the outome but the umpiring deciison to award mark)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 5:55 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
The Adelaide issue is different because they have a mechanism to review, but to allow coaches to challenge…I’m just not sure what happens.


Bounce the ball post-review. If the club who review gets it wrong, free kick against. And those that think only 'fan footage' showed the Aish deflection - sorry, you're wrong.


We had possession of the ball, why should we be disadvantaged?

Umpires have been making mistakes since the game began. I’m sure we’ll be on the other side of a decision at some point.


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Disappointed….

really didn’t think Fog deserved a week…!

mayyyybe a fine…but even then unlucky
for mine…!

a free kick and 50 is all it was worth…!


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:00 pm 
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Fremantle defender Jordan Clark was penalised for dissent against Carlton after using the expression “f***ing idiot” but has told the club he was berating himself for allowing opponent Matthew Cottrell to mark.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:02 pm 
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I personally don't see the disadvantage. He's about to be tackled so it's very likely a ball-up anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2024 6:04 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Shit happens, mistakes are made but the bleating on this one is from the Carlton hating public trying to latch onto something


Really??


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