It's probably a factor but any prospective coach, particularly the experienced ones, would make their own enquiries if they were interested in us and didn't want to accept anything else too soon.

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After seeing the Miserable performances of most Players this year and Last year's Embarrasing showing against the Lions ( 60-0 ), there was always only TWO possible Options:


Option A: Sack the Coach and Retain most Senior Players OR

Option B: Retain the Coach and begin a Mass Exodus of Many Senior Players


Well, we have already seen one Senior player retire and not even wanting to finish off the year, 2 others already committed to leaving, another wanting a Trade out to Gold Coast before denying it all.


This tells me that the Club must have already made a call to Keep Voss for another year or so!! I hope I am Wrong.... There is no Logic but stupidity in keeping Voss. The Players have stopped playing for him along time a go, and he has failed again & again in altering his Game Style which is based on Winning Contested ball & nothing else.

Have you ever thought that the players come to the realisation that the list strategy taken in particular in last years draft trade period that the club had entered into another rebuilding phase and didn't back the current list.
There was a complete lack of depth built into the list and having 17 players under 21 entering the season meant if injury happened there was no depth to bring in.
No other club had this many young players and no other club went into the season with only 6 players aged between 22 and 25.
Adelaide has 16 in this age bracket.
If you are doc tdk JSOS you know it is 3 to 4 years before those younger players will be solid contributors to the team.
It doesn't leave a big window for success.
I think behind closed doors they are aware of this and maybe Vossy will be given the chance to build a playing style which he wants not working with a group that has been under Bolton and Teague where they were conditioned to accept losses.

If this is not the case Austin has sold Vossy down the drain



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Yep, because this winning model has worked for us for the last 20 years.
Lucky for us our playing group is not entitled enough to know they can get coaches sacked every 3-4 years.

Well said.
That is being 'logical'
Stupidity is blowing the list up, sacking the coach and starting again.
'Stability' is adding to the list and assistant coaches and building on what we have.
Voss needs to stay at least another year IMO.

On our game plan, what do people think needs to change:
1) Keep most of our game plan primarily built on contest but fix our entries into F50
2) Change to the more popular current game plan based on defensive rebound and transition
3) Other

Herald Sun main story - Top Carlton brass meeting to discuss Voss.

It's on, or it's a normal meeting and a beat up.

our game plan been unsuccessful for 2 years i have named the u12 game style '" get ball boot ball" Voss and Co changed NOTHING

Apparently a scheduled meeting but no doubt he will be on the agenda.

The team that averages the most contested possessions also averages the highest % of contested possessions.
They also happen to sit on top of the AFL ladder.
Winning contested possessions will always be a positive. Having balance to your game is the key. That's tough when the players who offer that balance are all unavailable.

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#1 we need to improve our conversion of i50 into goals. The "entries" is obviously part of that, but there's other aspects such as forward stoppages, turnovers in f50, defending kick-ins etc.

There are various other aspects where we are not good enough including the fall offs second halves, general skill execution, leading and making space etc.
Obviously a better run with injuries would be a big help.

Right now what we need is the season to be over so everyone can reset and recharge.

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Yes, I feel that our contested ball abilities is a massive strength but we need to balance it with an improvement in speed and ball use, esp going into F50 (which I think would help with conversion) and, yes, F50 pressure.

This happens when you keep pretty much the same players that lack the right attributes, attitude and ability to adapt to a new game plan.
List needs to be fixed first, it is that simple.
Roughly 8 changes in the off season and we could have a solid alternate game plan to compliment our contested football.

Unfortunately we need to add this to our list, the current list are either injured or unable to deliver as proven this year.

Gone.

Strong rumour is Hayden Skipworth. What do we think?

I am skeptical about getting an untried guy, but at the same time dont want a coach who was previously sacked or close to retirement.

I hope we make the right choice this time. For goodness sakes. Can we please get it right this time.

AFL website says Voss is still coach. What's going on? Their article says we've been spurred to action because Melbourne are sniffing around Longmire and Simpson, so maybe we really are as pathetic as Trav suggested.

I would go with Skipworth
Has been highly rated for years like Kingsley
Longmire Simpson absolutely no
Longmire quit because he had enough
Simpson won a flag then was in a descending basket case no

We never seem to get coaching appointments right
Either big named past it types
Favourite sons
Too inexperienced
Skipworth ticks all the boxes
With Goodwin gone if Carlton know Voss is gone at the end of the year then the move needs to be made
If we get slaughtered this weekend then I say it will be next week

Yep , Voss has been slaughtered by our injury toll and to his credit he to my knowledge has not once offered it as an excuse . Voss aint a sook . If this Club is fair dinkum they should have a real good look at our fitness/medico setup and see what is really going on . It just goes on and on with ne end in sight . They also need to beef up the recruiting side of things coz so many of our young players are pedestrian . No flair at all . The board has been skirting around the real issues with our club instead of honing in on the real problem which just happens to be the constant unavailability of players .

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Yep our club love vanilla nice boys. Thats the issue.

I dont want bad people, but i want really competitive tough dont want to lose characteristics.

And when we recruit, its a scattered approach. I mean look at our SSP appointments this year. Evans, White, Young. No KPP that can play either end.

Evans - Just why ? No offense to him, as he is gutsy, but not AFL standard. We have too many of his kind that dont offer much. Durdin, Motlop, Fogarty for example.

When good clubs recruit, then get guys that fill a need and they use for a particular purpose.