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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:21 pm 
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Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:25 pm 
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We currently have 31 on the primary list. I believe we’re aiming for 36 - 37 at most.
McGovern, Khamis & Hollands are caught in between. Let’s say Hollands goes, so we’re at 33.
As far as I know, we still have to make three changes via the draft. That brings us to 36.

The Swans proposal is two in, one out. 37 primary on the list.

We have six rookies under contract, to take us up to 43 players in total.
Charleson, White & Young in waiting. One spot up for grabs.


Charleson and Evans to remain as rookies in 2026.

I'm guessing a KPD will fill the Cincotta spot.
If Charlie is traded then a KPF is also on the cards.

I have no doubt contracted players for 2026 Elijah, Binns and Fogarty are in a precarious position.
If we can improve on them, we should. I'd love to keep Hollands, but have no idea if he's burnt his bridges.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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The club need to stay strong and come out and say based on the latest offer he will remain a Blue and that Carlton will not even talk further until a serious offer is put on the table. Even if we want him gone now, after all his shenanigans, if we do not get fair compensation we should keep him. Having Curnow next year even if we play him in the seconds is better than accepting scraps. If we fold and accept scraps and all our top contracted players will be fair game going forward.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:35 pm 
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Fox Footy (via The Age) reporting that we delivered the “O’Sullivan or keep walking” ultimatum to Geelong.

Quite happy with that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:38 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


I wouldnt judge Hayward's ability from Sydney's BnF results.
We went hard at him last year. We wanted him. Sydney wanted him more and offered him a 5 year contract. That's his value.

In 2024, Sydney made the Grand Final. Will kicked 41 goals, 16 behinds and 10 goal assists. He also had 47 Inside 50's.
He was considered for AA as a HF.
In the same year, 2024, the Bloods top 10 were Heeney, Gulden, Warner, Grundy, Blakey, Rowbottom, Florent, Jordan, Lloyd, Papley. All of those top 10 players deserved their spot in the top 10. No shame not making top 10 in that year.

Put it this way, Hayward is more reliable than Elijah. We need to be improving on every line, especially forward of centre which is what cost us 6-7 games in 2025.

Hayward is 26yo.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:40 pm 
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Fox Footy (via The Age) reporting that we delivered the “O’Sullivan or keep walking” ultimatum to Geelong.

Quite happy with that.


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Being under contract, Carlton can opt to hold onto Curnow if a trade doesn’t satisfy those in charge, and Lloyd does believe that there would be no hard feelings if the two-time Coleman Medallist was to suit up in navy blue once again in 2026.

“I think that’s the leverage Carlton have got,” Lloyd said.

“As a list manager, you always look at what the alternative is to not getting the deal done, and the alternative is that he stays and gets on with it. That’s something that Charlie would have to work through, and it’s something that Carlton have got going for them.


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2025/10/13/afl-trade-news-live-trade-radio-stream-carlton-sydney-geelong-charlie-curnow

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Shit offer from Sydney. They want to salary dump Florent, so his value in the trade is effectively zero. So are they suggesting Hayward is worth pick 22, and Charlie is worth a couple of mid/late first rounders? Do they not realise we slammed the door on Geelong's three shitty firsts? Swans made GF last year and a goalkicking spearhead is something they've desperately missed since Buddy retired (and frankly, for a couple of years before then, too). So their 2026 first would be a right stinker. Absolute dreamers.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:42 pm 
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The club need to stay strong and come out and say based on the latest offer he will remain a Blue and that Carlton will not even talk further until a serious offer is put on the table. Even if we want him gone now, after all his shenanigans, if we do not get fair compensation we should keep him. Having Curnow next year even if we play him in the seconds is better than accepting scraps. If we fold and accept scraps and all our top contracted players will be fair game going forward.


If Curnow stays, it will be a tad embarrassing for him, but he wont be training at Carlton to play VFL.

He's such a goofy type, he will just laugh it off. He loves his team mates and has no problem with the club, its just this Melbourne bubble that's got to him. He aint Robinson Crusoe.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:48 pm 
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Shit offer from Sydney. They want to salary dump Florent, so his value in the trade is effectively zero. So are they suggesting Hayward is worth pick 22, and Charlie is worth a couple of mid/late first rounders? Do they not realise we slammed the door on Geelong's three shitty firsts? Swans made GF last year and a goalkicking spearhead is something they've desperately missed since Buddy retired (and frankly, for a couple of years before then, too). So their 2026 first would be a right stinker. Absolute dreamers.


I don't blame Swans asking for the SOS compo pick. Good luck on that.

Not sure about this talk of a salary dump. I'm reading the salary dump between Hayward and Florent is $1.2M. I call BS on that number. Since Buddy left, a lot of Swans have been front loaded heaps.

Lets be real here, we have been interested in Florent since before Charlies request for a Trade.

If Swans offer 2025 Pick 10 , and 2026 F1, Hayward and Florent, without pick 22 going back, its not a bad deal for us. I wouldn't be surprised if we try and get a 2nd rounder as well.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:50 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


I wouldnt judge Hayward's ability from Sydney's BnF results.
We went hard at him last year. We wanted him. Sydney wanted him more and offered him a 5 year contract. That's his value.

In 2024, Sydney made the Grand Final. Will kicked 41 goals, 16 behinds and 10 goal assists. He also had 47 Inside 50's.
He was considered for AA as a HF.
In the same year, 2024, the Bloods top 10 were Heeney, Gulden, Warner, Grundy, Blakey, Rowbottom, Florent, Jordan, Lloyd, Papley. All of those top 10 players deserved their spot in the top 10. No shame not making top 10 in that year.

Put it this way, Hayward is more reliable than Elijah. We need to be improving on every line, especially forward of centre which is what cost us 6-7 games in 2025.

Hayward is 26yo.


27 before the end of this month. :)

He was really good in 2024, I was keen to get him down here.

2025 was more aligned with his mean level over the past five years, and as someone alluded to earlier, when you sort his AFL tables by disposals and goals, you'll find a bit of flat track bullying in this year's numbers. From watching him this year, I cooled on him quite a bit. Possibly adapting to a new coach, but he was too quiet too often. Makes me think he thrives as part of a well oiled machine but isn't one to pull us out of the mire. I think the rumours of our interest in Humphrey are also a major reason Hayward leaves me feeling flat.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:55 pm 
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Let's wait till Sydney FORMALLY submit an offer.
Relax and stay calm


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:59 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Shit offer from Sydney. They want to salary dump Florent, so his value in the trade is effectively zero. So are they suggesting Hayward is worth pick 22, and Charlie is worth a couple of mid/late first rounders? Do they not realise we slammed the door on Geelong's three shitty firsts? Swans made GF last year and a goalkicking spearhead is something they've desperately missed since Buddy retired (and frankly, for a couple of years before then, too). So their 2026 first would be a right stinker. Absolute dreamers.


I don't blame Swans asking for the SOS compo pick. Good luck on that.

Not sure about this talk of a salary dump. I'm reading the salary dump between Hayward and Florent is $1.2M. I call BS on that number. Since Buddy left, a lot of Swans have been front loaded heaps.

Lets be real here, we have been interested in Florent since before Charlies request for a Trade.

If Swans offer 2025 Pick 10 , and 2026 F1, Hayward and Florent, without pick 22 going back, its not a bad deal for us. I wouldn't be surprised if we try and get a 2nd rounder as well.


Sorry Bondi, can't agree with you on that, Charlie is an A Grader and he's contracted, they need a lot more than that to nudge the interest lever. They have to pay overs or no deal.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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If the Swans don’t get him now, there is every chance they lose out to Geelong next year (or he finds his love for Carlton again and stays).
For Sydney, he takes them from a very good team with a great midfield to a Premiership contender.
Much more at stake for Sydney and they know it.

For us, it’s an opportunity. For Sydney, it could be a Premiership and marketing gold.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Asking for #22 is a respectable clap back from the Swans. They can @#$%&! off, but with our respect.

I do wonder if we’re a little closer to Humphrey than some might think.

10 & 11 to GC for Humphrey, gives them flexibility with the Dees & Petracca… I just think we’ll want another 300-400 points from somewhere else. That rises to 1,000+ if we lose #22.

Hence the time pressure I mentioned earlier. Players are all we have to bargain with & we can’t move them until the deadline.

We see you, Kinnear. :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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The catch with Humphrey is that we need to get the drop on the Dees, Hawks & Aints. All clubs with their set up on that side of the city.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:16 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


I wouldnt judge Hayward's ability from Sydney's BnF results.
We went hard at him last year. We wanted him. Sydney wanted him more and offered him a 5 year contract. That's his value.

In 2024, Sydney made the Grand Final. Will kicked 41 goals, 16 behinds and 10 goal assists. He also had 47 Inside 50's.
He was considered for AA as a HF.
In the same year, 2024, the Bloods top 10 were Heeney, Gulden, Warner, Grundy, Blakey, Rowbottom, Florent, Jordan, Lloyd, Papley. All of those top 10 players deserved their spot in the top 10. No shame not making top 10 in that year.

Put it this way, Hayward is more reliable than Elijah. We need to be improving on every line, especially forward of centre which is what cost us 6-7 games in 2025.

Hayward is 26yo.



2024?
He didn’t make the All-Australian squad.
He can’t make even in one year the Swans’ top 10?
Sorry. That says something to me.
They must think Carlton’s recruiting team are dumber than a box of rocks.
If they make this trade, it confirms they are dopes.
Even Adam Cerra has made the Blues’ top 10.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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tap in 79 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



Hayward has never finished in the top 10 in the Swans b&f....and they think Carlton will take this bloke in a trade???

They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid or they thoroughly disrespect Carlton, thinking the Blues are a substandard team that will take whatever they are given.

So disrespectful.


I wouldnt judge Hayward's ability from Sydney's BnF results.
We went hard at him last year. We wanted him. Sydney wanted him more and offered him a 5 year contract. That's his value.

In 2024, Sydney made the Grand Final. Will kicked 41 goals, 16 behinds and 10 goal assists. He also had 47 Inside 50's.
He was considered for AA as a HF.
In the same year, 2024, the Bloods top 10 were Heeney, Gulden, Warner, Grundy, Blakey, Rowbottom, Florent, Jordan, Lloyd, Papley. All of those top 10 players deserved their spot in the top 10. No shame not making top 10 in that year.

Put it this way, Hayward is more reliable than Elijah. We need to be improving on every line, especially forward of centre which is what cost us 6-7 games in 2025.

Hayward is 26yo.



2024?
He didn’t make the All-Australian squad.
He can’t make even in one year the Swans’ top 10?
Sorry. That says something to me.
They must think Carlton’s recruiting team are dumber than a box of rocks.
If they make this trade, it confirms they are dopes.
Even Adam Cerra has made the Blues’ top 10.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1206901/44- ... team-named


I didnt say he was in the squad or he was an AA, but merely recalling he was in the conversation all year, such was his form in 2024. He's a good footballer; B Grader, but had an A grader's year in 2024. That's all.

Not sure the relevance of Cerra i this conversation, other than, I'm guessing, you don't rate Cerra?, and you rate Swans Best 22 equal to Carlton's squad over the last 5 years?

I get Charlie is an A Grader and we should be looking to get an A Grader back, and that's what we've asked, but, that doesn't look like its going to happen, so what do we do?

Some would be happy with Hayward Florent and 2025 and 2026 first round picks. I would, but I'd also like a 2nd rounder for this year too.

I don't believe for a minute our recruitment team (I think you mean List Manager) is dumb, and they would really know if the club really wants Charlie to stay or not. I have no clue.

I'm eargerly waiting for the outcome TODAY!!!

Curious. What do you expect in the Trade for Charlie?

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 Post subject: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 1:32 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Swans 2025 & 2026 1st rounder plus Hayward is fair IMO.
I'm not too bothered about Florent.
But no way we give them back pick #22.



They clearly think Carlton's list managers are friggin stupid

So disrespectful.



I wouldn’t disagree with them. Same guy gave up a top 10 pick for Adam Saad


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