Just to clear one thing up - Im not a messenger. I dont work for them. I volunteer. I love the Club and I'd do anything for them. I lied the other day about having to go to a Doctors appointment to get out of a meeting with a key client so I could finish a footy article! Its detrimental to my career, no doubt

You are right KK, you know you are. But it's a hand to mouth existence in there. We try to bring their attention to great ideas, and what fans want, and ideas for the website (as discussed on this forum) but there's 'do now' things and 'do later' and the do laters just dont get picked up. You know after a weekend like this one the whole Communications team probably spent 2 days addressing upset fans via email.


I really hope it changes, that we get money to employ some people, or the AFL shares resources, or the current future Board deliver some extra sponsorshiup. And I wish Collo would stop talking us down, it hurts me to read. And I agree with Synners that we shouldn't even mention the past admin - steve's post on this was fantastic.

Final point - last pre-season the Club put out a call for volunteers and got 7 expressions. It is fanciful, notwithstanding your offer to help the Club in a way that they needed but didn't utilise, to think that the fans are all out there to help.

agree with Tommi...

Structure it so it can be handed over.

The register a friend idea is good...
I'm forever asked for the "what's the latest?" from supporters who aren't members (club or forums) but know I know...this is the "email only" crowd

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Sorry, molsey, when I said messenger, I meant in regards to what you posted about the way things are at the club, not in terms of acting as a conduit. Sort of in a "Don't kill the bearer of bad news" kind of way, I just didn't want you to think I was having a go at you in my last post.

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Jarusa I think this is the best idea I've heard in ages regarding the club. You've got my support. If the club isn't interested now, why don't we at least prove the concept can work. If we can raise funds to sponsor a player then I reckon we'd easily raise the funds to host the site and maintain it.

Let's bring all the Carlton faithful together starting with the existing message boards and then (volunteers) hand out flyers at the games urging others to join. Once it's a going (and growing) concern we invite the club in as an Official capacity.

This is too good an idea to let die.

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No worries KK.

Well said spf. How about we try to get it up & running through TC:

* I'll pay the $20 hosting fee on understanding the Club can take it over at the drop of a hat for nothing of course
* We try to source a Carlton loving lawyer who can help us with the right privacy advice to make sure this is done
* We set up a working group in here to work through some of the practical issues:
- how do you update your email when you change jobs?
- under what circumstances can the Club access the email address?
- how do we prevent multiple registrations?
- something like an intro email just to let people know their details are registered, welcome to the NB list

And then when the Club is 'open for business' it's up & running and hopefullyt they have 30,000 names already?

ps Will the Club provide the email addresses of the 17000 weekly update receivers or does that breach a privacy rule?

If I was a new supporter to the club and wanted to sign up for the newsletter where would I go to do that? The carltonfc.com.au homepage does not give me that option. Why doesn't it? It would be easy to include a facility for new supporters to subscribe to a club email. Increased emails... increased promotion and membership.

Mallee, i'll hassle the club to put the registration point back on the main site. It was there last year but must have fallen off somehow.

I think the idea is a good one...I dont think the club have yet figured out that most of the unofficial sites are run by Carlton footy tragics for Carlton footy tragics who most happen to be members or potential members and who hang out or know other supporters who could be members...I'd offer a small discount to registered users of reputable unofficial forums and you would get the membership figures up...its the tragics that luv their footy and always stick fat...reward them amd potential tragics...a 5% discount might get posters like Surrey over the line.
Its means the club taking the time to talk to a small group of admins from the major forums and some trust and good will to make it work.....banks offer discounts for online accounts as do many many companies...

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I agree, that's the first thing that came to mind. Unfortunately noboby is willing to take on embryo technology - put it together and pitch it to them up and running - hand them the keys and walk away.

A great idea!

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Very do-able Molsey, 90% of the work is already done. It's just the finer details of the privacy policies/terms and agreements/wording that need to be done.

The software is in place, the hosting is free, the domain name costs $20 a year. All that is needed is some advice/manpower with respect to dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

At the moment the domain name is in my name but I would happily hand over the ownership to any party deemed trustworthy enough to make the idea work.

I'm sure the club would not say no if it was just given a database of email addresses (which have been collected following proper procedures).

A working group sounds like a good idea to me. Would be good to have involvement from all the Carlton forums.

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Soft porn aside, this is a great idea Jarusa - I think someone should be asking the club why they turn these offers down - what's their issue?

I think you're right Jarusa, a working group should be formed to get this going and I think we MUST have involvment from all boards if this is going to work...after all this is at the very heart of the concept.

I think the legal structure and mechanisim for donations and volunteers needs to be nutted out and then we can get on with building and growing the thing. Has anyone approached the other boards?

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• Living in the 1970s
• Lack of willingness to look at easy ways to market
• Scared of the price factor, hence unwillingness to even look into it

Anyone else got any?

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For those interested in helping out.

Molsey and I have started going through some of the issues in order to get the idea up and running independantly of the club with the view to donating any future email addresses collected to the club.

If anyone would like to join in this process please PM either Molsey or me.

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I think the easiest way to think of it is being severely under-resourced in the first instance, leading to the understanding that anything they say yes to they'll have to work on. Its not as if these guys dont work very hard already ... there's always a hell of a lot more to do at Carlton. Especially when you're down, receiving complaints, requests etc. I have a lot of sympathy for the CC team, even though my frustrations some time get the better of me. Or are we saying we

Just a question on the NBA... I am trying to work out when / if the information is handed over to the Club. If we give it over once, shouldn't that be enough? Could it be phrased as 'We're collecitng email addresses to hand over when the Club has the resources to push a global membership campaign?' or something like it?

Or are we saying that we will keep a permanent list of global Carlton 'fans' so only the Club can access on as as-needed basis for membership / advertising purposes?

ps do you think we should get names as well, as we could be accused of fudging the numbers if someone has 8 email addresses linked up (and say only 2 active?)

I feel sorry for the guys at the club, they are obviously run off their feet.



In my opinion it will work best if it occurs on an annual basis over a specified time period.

Maybe something like a month long 'drive' during September every year, that way it does not interfere with memberships and the new email addresses are collected in time for the clubs upcoming membership campaign.





Something that needs to be worked out.

The options are: giving the database completely over to the club so they can integrate it with their current database.

OR

Simply giving the club access to the database and software so that they can send their correspondence out via the NBA site.

techincal issues may force this decision upon us if integration is not possible at the club end.






No real need for names I reckon (but it can be included as an optional part of the submission form).

a) people are much more likely to sign up without having to give too many details
b) the software sends a confirmation email to the subscriber with a link in it that needs to be clicked in order to activate the subscription, therefore only live email addresses will be included on the database

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It's a great idea Jarusa but there are a few legal issues to be checked out and I would understand the club being hesitant.

Opt-in email lists are great and satisfy all the legal requirements. I run one myself to over 2000 clients who receive an email every month and it works a treat. What you've set up is essentially an opportunity for Carlton supporters to "opt-in" so no problems there.

The problem that might need a bit of working through is how you alert the supporters to the site where they sign up. Ring them up on the phone (telemarketing) and it's fine. If you're using an email campaign then the emails that are being sent to achieve this aren't "opt-in" at all - they're spam.

That said, the emails would only be coming from people they already know alerting them to the site so perhaps that's fine.

Or perhaps not.

If the club is seen to be behind such an initiative then it's essentially spamming thousands of people by circumventing the anti-spam legislation through a third party.

There's no problem with someone like yourself doing this for personal purposes but when organisations get involved in soimething like this (and in this case the club would be the de facto spammer) there are wider potential consequences.

It may all be possible (I hope so because it's well worth it) but you'd want to get it properly checked out first. The last thing the club needs at the moment would be to be caught up in a test case of an organisation trying to avoid the new anti-spam regs.

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