Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Fri Jul 18, 2025 7:11 pm

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 78 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:36 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:34 am
Posts: 8888
Location: 8888
Fev would of been reprimanded also if not for a previous guilty verdict. I thought it was a fair enough result even though he hit my man JR.

_________________
Mjonc signing off at 8888


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 6:41 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm
Posts: 3768
Quote:
In other incidents assessed by the panel, Carlton's David Teague was ruled not to have engaged in rough conduct following his clash with Sam Mitchell on Friday night but the league's umpiring department conceded the Hawks' vice-captain should have received a free kick as a result of the clash.


Should we be happy about that? :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:02 am 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:45 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: Perth
I think we should be counting ourselves lucky that Jordan Russell hasn't been cited for head-butting Croad's elbow.

He could have been given 4 weeks for that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:09 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:09 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am
Posts: 17893
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates

_________________
T E A M


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:13 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:31 pm
Posts: 24457
Location: Heartbroken
buzzaaaah wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates


I think the points system is a farce. It's way too open to interpretation.

It's time to perhaps admit that this isn't working and get rid of it.

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:25 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am
Posts: 35135
I don't mind the points system but the discounts for various things make it a joke. Croad's indiscretion has been one of the worst I've seen so far this year but because it's his first in a while and he agrees not to contest it he can play the next week.
A joke.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:31 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
buzzaaaah wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates


What I don't understand is the differentiation between "low", "medium" and "high" impact.

How was Croad's hit not considered at least medium, given JR ended up concussed? It's one thing to decide that on the spur of the moment, but given that a review panel watches the footage, and knows the outcome of the hits, surely Croad's hit was more than "low impact"

Failed coaches. First one has been appointed to ruin umpiring, now one's f*cking the tribunal system.

Send them to Iraq, they couldn't stuff things up any more than they're stuffed now. I think.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:34 am 
Offline
formerly Josh Kaplan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm
Posts: 2187
Schwab quit the Match Review Panel at the endof last year.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:56 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Schwab quit the Match Review Panel at the endof last year.


Did he? Thanks for the update.

He's still a tool.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Last edited by Kaptain Kouta on Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:28 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:18 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:54 pm
Posts: 5274
Location: Melbourne
Deano Supremo wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates


I think the points system is a farce. It's way too open to interpretation.

It's time to perhaps admit that this isn't working and get rid of it.


Damn straight it's a farce. They make something that should be so simple way harder than it really is.

_________________
"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:59 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
Take a look at Lovett-Murray's hit on Didak by the boundary line.

Exactly the same as Fev's hit on Kirk. If anything, Didak copped it worse.

Let's see what happens....

Still, I can't say I blame him for wanting to smash Didak into next week.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:39 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:58 pm
Posts: 3468
Location: Procyon II
I will look in the paper for Didak, for I doubt I'll see his name in the suspended column - he doesn't play for us. Eddie would retaliate and penalize the AFL is Didak got his hair mussed.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:42 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm
Posts: 63509
Didak's been copping a lot of heavy attention today.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lovett-Murray's hot doesn't even get a mention.

the system's shite.

_________________
And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:50 pm 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:27 am
Posts: 28528
Location: Free Beer!!
Deano Supremo wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates


I think the points system is a farce. It's way too open to interpretation.

It's time to perhaps admit that this isn't working and get rid of it.


Was the old system not even more open to interpreation and inconsistency?

The points system needs some work, but at least it provides some basis to start from in determining penalties.

_________________
"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:53 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:31 pm
Posts: 24457
Location: Heartbroken
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Deano Supremo wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
camelboy wrote:
I saw the incident again on WLF and really it is a bit of a farce that Croad didn't get at least one week for that.

I can see merit in the points system, if people understand it more it can work. But when an incident like that, a clear raised elbow to the head, is not deemed worthy of suspension then they either need to revise the points system, or remove the head of the match review panel from cases involving Hawthorn players.


Its probably not the points sustem thats at fault. ots the interpretation of reckless v intentional v whatever and low impact v medium etc etc
It is open to abuse and mistakes. The whole idea of haveing the match review panel would be to have consistency if the same 3 people are judging.
Maybe they need to get professionals ie lawyers or ex-magistrates


I think the points system is a farce. It's way too open to interpretation.

It's time to perhaps admit that this isn't working and get rid of it.


Was the old system not even more open to interpreation and inconsistency?

The points system needs some work, but at least it provides some basis to start from in determining penalties.


The points system has been around for years in the NRL, and every year there are horrible inconsistencies. The NRL haven't got it right, the AFL don't exactly fill me with a sense of confidence that they can.

The old system certainly seemed more even handed than this one does.

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:39 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:24 am
Posts: 1217
Location: Melbourne
where is the tribunal listed on the web - ie how many points are what?

anyone know?

_________________
"Two roads diverged in a wood,
and I,
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference."

Robert Frost


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:41 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 pm
Posts: 2585
Location: Hoppers Crossing
The Vet wrote:
where is the tribunal listed on the web - ie how many points are what?

anyone know?


It used to be on the AFL website. I saved a PDF of last years but its already out of date because they removed the point for 'in play' etc

_________________
Time to go: Smorgon, Pagan


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:02 am 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:52 am
Posts: 12809
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Take a look at Lovett-Murray's hit on Didak by the boundary line.

Exactly the same as Fev's hit on Kirk. If anything, Didak copped it worse.

Let's see what happens....

Still, I can't say I blame him for wanting to smash Didak into next week.


That was my immediate thought - exactly the same, if not worse, than Fev. If he's not cited it's a bloody joke.

_________________
Cer 'ch 'n alluog Blues


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:31 am 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 25712
Location: Bondi Beach
Just perusing over the suspensions we have been served over the last 3 years and it's obvious Carlton are screened, scrutinised and penalised harsher moreso than any other team. It has been a fact of life that I can't do anything about. I would love to lead a Carlton army to AFL House to protest with vigour, but then we'd look like whingers.

Prenders charge, Fevola's inconclusive hit on Brown, Campo's love tap, Stevens retaliation, Scotland's pie in the face, Fev's charge....

If Lovett-Murray doesn't get called up to face the tribunal, it wont surprise me, just confirms my premise.

Move forward.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 78 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Noonamah Blue and 15 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group