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From what I hear the only stand out performer on the Social Club Board (ok - not much to beat), a low profile but with very heavy business connections. Also another young guy.



Fair enough speedy but I guess all of us are a bit sceptical of guys getting on the board from within the club.
The choice of Smorgon as president is just so wrong…how is the club meant to sell it-self with a guy who comes across as stiff as an iron board??


So true!!!!!


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could the appointment of Richard Newton to the board have anything to do with the social club and football club merger????


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could the appointment of Richard Newton to the board have anything to do with the social club and football club merger????


nah... its because their first choice, Bert, was busy

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could the appointment of Richard Newton to the board have anything to do with the social club and football club merger????


nah... its because their first choice, Bert, was busy


Thats actually very funny!!! :-D


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I heard Gleeson on the radio yesterday - could not have been more unconvincing IMO!!! One comment was "I'd never thought about it until 2 weeks ago" and "I'd never really thought I'd end up joining the board". Nothing against Gleeson but he came across as someone who is really not that interested. Also said he knows what a successful club looks like - I'm sorry but the mid 80's was 20 years ago now!!


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I heard Gleeson on the radio yesterday - could not have been more unconvincing IMO!!! One comment was "I'd never thought about it until 2 weeks ago" and "I'd never really thought I'd end up joining the board". Nothing against Gleeson but he came across as someone who is really not that interested. Also said he knows what a successful club looks like - I'm sorry but the mid 80's was 20 years ago now!!


Agree Pickle, another attempt for the quick fix and show Smorgon delivers on his statements.

Gleeson cannot develop a passion for the job at hand in two weeks. Do we really need another accountant on the board? We've been independantly audited by every multinational in the world over the past few years.

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I heard Gleeson on the radio yesterday - could not have been more unconvincing IMO!!! One comment was "I'd never thought about it until 2 weeks ago" and "I'd never really thought I'd end up joining the board". Nothing against Gleeson but he came across as someone who is really not that interested. Also said he knows what a successful club looks like - I'm sorry but the mid 80's was 20 years ago now!!


Agree Pickle, another attempt for the quick fix and show Smorgon delivers on his statements.

Gleeson cannot develop a passion for the job at hand in two weeks. Do we really need another accountant on the board? We've been independantly audited by every multinational in the world over the past few years.

Just because a bloke wasn't aware that he had a chance to join the board doesn't mean he wouldn't be interested, I mean he's taken up the job. Can't be for the money.


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It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

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It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

Not much to take from that, bigger link in the fact that he was on the Social Club board.


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jimmae wrote:
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It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

Not much to take from that, bigger link in the fact that he was on the Social Club board.


Sorry Jimmae but for a president to fill a board with his friends who are unelected, 2 months after an election is a bigger deal than if the guy was on the SC board.

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Pickle wrote:
I heard Gleeson on the radio yesterday - could not have been more unconvincing IMO!!! One comment was "I'd never thought about it until 2 weeks ago" and "I'd never really thought I'd end up joining the board". Nothing against Gleeson but he came across as someone who is really not that interested. Also said he knows what a successful club looks like - I'm sorry but the mid 80's was 20 years ago now!!


Agree Pickle, another attempt for the quick fix and show Smorgon delivers on his statements.

Gleeson cannot develop a passion for the job at hand in two weeks. Do we really need another accountant on the board? We've been independantly audited by every multinational in the world over the past few years.

Just because a bloke wasn't aware that he had a chance to join the board doesn't mean he wouldn't be interested, I mean he's taken up the job. Can't be for the money.


Gleeson stated he had never thought about it prior to being approached two weeks ago. He wasn't aware because he wasn't interested.

We had a chance to fill the position with a passionate ex player who WANTED to help, now we have missed that opportunity and as others have mentioned, had no say in the matter.

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jimmae wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

Not much to take from that, bigger link in the fact that he was on the Social Club board.

Sorry Jimmae but for a president to fill a board with his friends who are unelected, 2 months after an election is a bigger deal than if the guy was on the SC board.

Is there evidence that points to this rather than Smorgon brought his family on board to the other company based on his dealings with him at the football club?

And mjonc, if you were invited to be an astronaut tomorrow, and NASA had the utmost confidence in you, would you say yes?

I bet you would if they thought you could go into space. You probably wouldn't have given it a second thought before that unless you were a bit of a dreamer. It just means Gleeson didn't have those sort of expectations of himself, doesn't mean he's inadequate or incompetent or dislikes the job, he just didn't consider it a possibility.


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jimmae wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
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buzzaaaah wrote:
It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

Not much to take from that, bigger link in the fact that he was on the Social Club board.

Sorry Jimmae but for a president to fill a board with his friends who are unelected, 2 months after an election is a bigger deal than if the guy was on the SC board.

Is there evidence that points to this rather than Smorgon brought his family on board to the other company based on his dealings with him at the football club?

And mjonc, if you were invited to be an astronaut tomorrow, and NASA had the utmost confidence in you, would you say yes?

I bet you would if they thought you could go into space. You probably wouldn't have given it a second thought before that unless you were a bit of a dreamer. It just means Gleeson didn't have those sort of expectations of himself, doesn't mean he's inadequate or incompetent or dislikes the job, he just didn't consider it a possibility.


Jimmae your missing the point. The point is the board has hired someone who had no passion or desire prior to two weeks ago for the position, now all of a sudden he is told we think you'll be good on the board because your an ex-player and have a business background.

I'm not having a go at Gleeson either, it is the process and criteria of selection I'm having a crack at.

PS: I wouldn't accept a position with NASA as I have a medical condition that would prevent me going. A good example of a poor decision IMO.

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mjonc wrote:
jimmae wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
jimmae wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
It's not what you know, its who....

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The Melbourne-based Capricorn Investment Group includes the Escor Group - owned by members of the Smorgon family, and Selpam Group - a private company owned by the Newton and Jones families with Richard Newton as Managing Director.


Did Graham Smorgon forget to mention his family is in business with Richard Newton?

Not much to take from that, bigger link in the fact that he was on the Social Club board.

Sorry Jimmae but for a president to fill a board with his friends who are unelected, 2 months after an election is a bigger deal than if the guy was on the SC board.

Is there evidence that points to this rather than Smorgon brought his family on board to the other company based on his dealings with him at the football club?

And mjonc, if you were invited to be an astronaut tomorrow, and NASA had the utmost confidence in you, would you say yes?

I bet you would if they thought you could go into space. You probably wouldn't have given it a second thought before that unless you were a bit of a dreamer. It just means Gleeson didn't have those sort of expectations of himself, doesn't mean he's inadequate or incompetent or dislikes the job, he just didn't consider it a possibility.


Jimmae your missing the point. The point is the board has hired someone who had no passion or desire prior to two weeks ago for the position, now all of a sudden he is told we think you'll be good on the board because your an ex-player and have a business background.

I'm not having a go at Gleeson either, it is the process and criteria of selection I'm having a crack at.

PS: I wouldn't accept a position with NASA as I have a medical condition that would prevent me going. A good example of a poor decision IMO.


If anyone honestly believes that Bear has no passion for the club, or has not considered a spot on the board - they are dreaming.


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mjonc wrote:
Jimmae your missing the point. The point is the board has hired someone who had no passion or desire prior to two weeks ago for the position, now all of a sudden he is told we think you'll be good on the board because your an ex-player and have a business background.

I'm not having a go at Gleeson either, it is the process and criteria of selection I'm having a crack at.

PS: I wouldn't accept a position with NASA as I have a medical condition that would prevent me going. A good example of a poor decision IMO.

I'm not enjoying picking apart what you have to say but the comments he made were not about his passion, he simply said he had not given the idea any thought, not that he was disinterested.

So either you think he was disinterested, or you know he was.

My NASA analogy stands, it's just coincidental that you have a condition. :oops:


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If Gleeson had passion for the position he is now in prior to being approached, i'm quite sure he would of "thought" about it previously or approached the club on how he could help.

The whole interview smacked of oh my god :shock:

Good luck to the guy, but we will soon see what he has to offer and whether he has the heart for the job.

PS: Condition is only bad sinuses and a [REDACTED] up nose that if NASA were willing to pay for a reco, i would gladly accept :-D

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Board members should be elected...

Thats all...

unless they can single handedly help us in extra ordinary circumstances.

These two blokes wont add clout.. whats the point???
Gleeson did have his eyes on a board seat for a while... so why didnt he go to elections???

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why the hell add 2 suburban wannabes..........we require businessmen with national profile.


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Rod Waddell wrote:
why the hell add 2 suburban wannabes..........we require businessmen with national profile.


That's because Smorgon has connections with these guys - these guys are heavy hitters and will make a difference - yeah right, we'll see!!!!!

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The Escor Group is run by Norman Smorgon who is Graham Smorgon's second cousin. I don't know if Graham has any connection with Escor but when the family business was split up back in 1995 the various branches headed in quite different directions.

Graham and Norman's grandfathers were brothers - big deal.

There are plenty of good reasons to criticize Graham Smorgon at the moment but I don't think this is one of them.

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