Pagans press conference summary:

Foot skills was the difference between the teams. Mentioned it numerous times.

Happy with the commitment and desire of the boys.

When asked if we had improved this year he pointed out the improvement of T-Bird, Simmo, Walker and Bentick, but also pointed out that several vetarans have been down on form.

Was happy that Lappo had rediscovered some form.

Was actually funny at the end when asked what do we need to work on this week by a reporter. Obvioulsy it was foot skills and Pagan let him know sarcastically.

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weve gone too far with pagan to let him go now if any other coach walked in right now he'd have no idea what the F!@# is going on

Funny about the foot skills thing..... But mostly everybody around here still blames the coach for it.....

Is it Pagans fault for recruiting the following:
Morrell
Bannister
Johnson
Teague
Kenna
Bowyer
Mott
McGrath

I'm sure i missed six other rejects that had no future but we pick them.
We are paying the price badly for 2004

and ritghtly so... he's the coach and he isn't getting results. Moral hazard in the coaching box .... get rid of him.

Now its Pagans fault for winning 10 games in 2004.
He didn't pick these guys, he traded the crap that he had for slightly better crap. He didn't have draft picks so what was he meant to do. Players like Murphy and Allan, would you prefer Pagan keep them, along with Manton, would that have made you happy.
Your complaining about winning and losing games now.... Go figure....

bosman - answer this. Do you think the club has moved forward or backward in pagans time as the coach?

Bosman,

I just want hope..just want to see some direction/planning.
Recruiting those guys was always going to be a disaster and that has set us back another 3 or 4 years. We should have taken our medicine at the time

Chris Knights
Sam Fisher
Matt Egan
Shane Tuck

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

TRUE........

But i'm a firm believer in the fact that we are turning the ball over because we have no confidence - and that is a direct result of the coach.

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What, you want Pagan to kick for them as well...

Which assistant coach did Denis root?

Thats bullshit Ryan, if you stuff up at work do you blame your Boss ???

[quote="Heres Waite!!"]I dont ever want to bag DP because he is the coach of the Mighty Blues and the Mighty Blues are what I love, but the thing that frustrates me about DP is his negative mindset. DP has always said "that our list isn't the best" "that untill we get a better list" "that with the players I have to work with". This is unacceptable for the coach of the Mighty Blues to say these things. Only at the end of a season should a coach evaluate his list like that. DP needs to install a culture of "I believe that my team can do it." How heart-wrenching for a promising young player (Simpson, Murphy, Kennedy etc) to see their own coach say that he doesn't believe the list is good enough. Pagan needs to change his attitude and install into his team the attitude that they can do it. I think about the times over the last four years that Carlton has been succesful (the Wizard Cup) and you could sense that the players were confident, that they were good enough. If you say your not good enough, you never will be. Look at Collingwood, they were crap last year, this year they look like a new team, they have the belief they can win. Carlton also needs to develp the belief they can win. I honestly believe that when Lance plays up forward, Carlton plays a lot better, because the players have the mindset that they are good enough to win the game not try and save from getting flogged. In 95 would we ever of said that our list isn't good enough to win!!! I tell you now if we did think like that we would still only have 15 premierships in that cabinet. Carlton has been the most successful club in the history of football, and we didnt become that because we had the mindet that "our list isnt good enough." That is not the Carlton Way.

The Carlton Way:

Our List is the best in the Comp.
Winning is everything.
Failure is unacceptable.

How I long for that arrogance again! DP it starts with you. I disagree with you DP and anyone who agrees with you.

OUR LIST IS GOOD ENOUGH DP!!!!!!!! Change your mindset![/quote]

I wrote this before the game today. But the way we played today proved this point. In that second quarter we were pumped, somehow we had the confidence to run the lines, to take risks, we were able to hit our targets and it was all because we started to believe in ourselves. We did have a list good enough if we just had a bit of belief!! The boys huddled at the end of that quarter and before we went to half-time big Lance gave the boys a few words, and we went into the locker rooms believeing in ourselves. But we come out a total different team. Even before the ball was bounced Big Lance was down back. Why this negative mindset. Suddenly we played negative footy again. We lost the abilty to believe that we could win. We started missing our targets again.

Good point, i was hoping somebody would bring this up.............becuase it just recently happened to me.

NO - if i stuffed up, i wouldn;t blame my boss. But when all the employees were making mistakes and the company folded as a result of bad managment............yes, i blamed the boss. So did alot of us!

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Why let him off the hook? If he did a good job you'd call him a hero. he hasn't done a good job - he has done a very very poor job, so why let him off the hook? Its been a win-win situation for only him, and you people are allowing that. He's a big boy, he's paid plenty of money. With the big jobs and the big pay comes big expectations. He has, quite simply, been an abject failure at Carlton, and i fail to understand why people are too scared to say that. In any other work environment the guy would have had his ar*e fired a long time ago. You fools can think what you want ... all i know is that when time has passed there's only one thing people will remember of him at carlton - his coaching record at the club and it is shocking.

His record at carlton speaks for itself - period.

Well said mate!

We were like that at half time because we changed the way we usually play.

We had a 5 man forward line
We kicked long to a goal square - WITH OUR FORWARDS ACTUALKLY THERE
We moved it fast, running through the centre as opposed to kicking long along the wing to a contest
We Had belief in ourselves because we were enjoying the footy
&.........most importantly.............WE WERE ATTACKING!

For some reason, that all changed after half time? Why is that?

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"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit"
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Has the club moved forward or backwards, the club has moved forward.

Lets face it, John Elliot sold Denis a sugar coated turd, looked good on the outside, bloodly shit on the inside.

The list at the end from 2002 compared to now.... Might have had some big names such as Ratten, Bradley, Manton and Hickmont, but there days were overs.
The list now has some very young kids, and its going to take 2-3 years before they are ready.

I see Carlton the same as the bullbogs before Terry Wallace left, heaps of young kids that needed time, but Terry couldn't wait.

cos shit players can't sustain it for 4 quarters. or even 2!!!!

You are kidding right? If you think the Carlton footy club has moved forward in the pagan years you need your head read. Sorry, but thats absolute utter rubbish.