Trade everybody over 25 for draft picks hey .

where have I heard that before


Bluemark are you there Bluemark you can come out now Kenny sheldon agrees with you and so does Synbad (except he wants to keep Fev)


God it must be easy writing for a newspaper these days .

Lets see I want to write something on The Blues

Here we are WWW. Talkingcarlton. ....

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Great article but what exactly does he, and you guys, mean by the facilities to develop youth? What major difference does a redeveloped change rooms make for instance? How exactly do new facilities help aid youth development?

Can anyone shed some light on this please.

Not sure how change rooms would help but I'd think something like easy access to a modern weights rooms would be a benefit, lap pools. etc. I dont pretend to be an expert on what exactly facilities we require but we do need to be up there with the other clubs to make sure Carlton remains a good place to get drafted.

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In the feature piece on how crap Carlton are today in the Sun, Sheldon had an interesting oppinion. He believes we should off load most of our semior guys over say Waites age, particularly those of value and trade them for the best picks we can get and rebuild basically with all kids, but real good kids...I tend to agree..either way we are going to finish bottom for the next 3 to 4 years so why not finish bottom and build a list of quality kids than finish bottom and then ave our 15 hacks retire and then finsh bottom some more.

Perhaps at the end of the year we could trade the following: (by the way I am a big rap for all these blokes, but when we are ready to contest finals again they will all be gone except perhaps one or close to retirement.

Fevola: Trade to Kangas who need a key forward for their rd 1 and rd 2 picks plus a young player..I figure they will finish last or second last so thats not a bad trade for both.

Stevens: Trade to Essendon* for rond 1 pick which will probably be 3 overall....plus maybe a rd 3 as well.

Whitnall: Trade to Brisbane for rd 1 pick whcih will be about 5 overall.

Houlihan to Richmond for rd 1 pick which would be 7 overall roughly.


Now these are about our 4 best players but whats the good if we are going to lose anyway lets play real hard ball and build a quality list...It would give us the following in the draft roughly assuming we finish 15th.

Pick 1,2,3,5,7,17,18...and with the upcoming superdraft we could get 7-8 quality players, add that to the 7-8 good young players we have already and we have a good team...It will take 2-3 years for them to be good and we wills till retain some experience in Lappin, Scotland, French etc. to see them through...

Now I know its early to be talking draft picks but im just responding to the article and trying to see a way clear of a most dreadful position.

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No offense mate, but please go and read other threads.

This article has been discussed and linked, and draft threads will inform you we won't get those picks with those trades, or any trade, unless Mad Cow Disease strikes the rest of the league.

No worries Bluesy, I will put you in charge of the deals - if you can get those trades I will vote you in as a Legend of the Club.

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Yeah i can see Richmond giving up pick 7 for ryan houlihan...

I agree with all those trades except Fevola or Larnce. I'd trade someone still a bit young, like Waite, even though that would hurt.

You know what. I watch other clubs play the game and I get jealous of just how much of a good 'balance' of players they have across the board.

I'm not talking about a balance in terms of age but most clubs seem to have players in all positions right across the board that know their stuff.

Synbad is absolutely right when he says that we can’t just pussy foot our way to success.

My area of interest is our list and as everyone by now must know, we have made a mess of it.

Apart from the obvious mistakes; we have continued to make a few errors in the last few years that have meant that we have failed to make the most of our recruiting opportunities.

I’m sorry Barnsey but we really can’t afford to be as ‘stiff’ as you suggest when we come to make our draft selections at the end of the year.

If we go to the draft with the mind set that ‘pick A is for a midfielder and pick B is for a ruckman and so on…’ then what if the best player of that particular ilk is not the best pick, let alone not up to standard?

No, we have got to realize that after all that has been said and done the object is to have a side that can defeat the opposition and not just hold our own against mid-tier teams…um…err…probably.

If we can’t learn this while the side is at its lowest ebb, then we probably never will.

Our aim shouldn’t only be to not make the same mistakes again but also to try and rectify as many of those mistakes as is practically possible.

We are not going to get a priority pick this year so we need to find other ways to rebuild and if that means taking a short term kick in the guts then…so be it.

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Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking as I read the article too..

Added to that "uncompetitive" group when Woosha took over was Judd, Sampi, Seaby and Hansen - their first 4 picks from the 2001 draft. Made Woosha's job a little easier.

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I can assure you all that Synbad isn't Ken Sheldon

but he does like to recieve a good tap every now and again

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I think Sheldon at the club would be a good move.


Didn't he coach St Kilda to a victory against Collingwood in a final just two years after they won the flag? The cattle he had that day wasn't magnificent.


I think he has the nous (as this article indicates) and his record as a coach indicates. He would make the tough decisions. He has the fire in his eyes.


Fev. was unfairly victimised by the commentators yesterday. I can't stand that commentator.... he is the worst in the comp. that one with the monotone voice that played for brisbane- campbell is it?


Fev. wasn't spectacular but he still kicked two goals on arguably the best full-back in the comp. Build his confidence.. he has kicked some ripper goals this year.. don't destroy it. He cares and he is passionate. That is a lot better than many of our players.

Whilst Fev made mistakes yesterday.. he is playing a one man hand up front.
If youre playing Carlton and you know we flood.. and Fev is the only forward we have.. what would you tell the fb to do???

Fev was buggered!!!

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We can't trade Fev. We won't kick any goals next year if we do.

I think we will because Essendon* are the only side worse than us and it's all part of Pagan's grand plan to rebuild Carlton.

Round 10
Carlton vs. Port Adelaide L - too skilled and too tall
Round 11
West Coast Eagles vs. Carlton L
Round 12
Kangaroos vs. Carlton L - pushed the Saints and Wells will have his yearly day out against us.
Round 13
Brisbane Lions vs. Carlton L - J.Brown and they're competitive again
Round 14
Carlton vs. Geelong L - they're not that bad
Round 15
Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs L
Round 16
Essendon* vs. Carlton W
Round 17
Carlton vs. Fremantle likely to be a loss
Round 18
Carlton vs. Melbourne L
Round 19
Hawthorn vs. Carlton likely to be a loss
Round 20
Carlton vs. Richmond L
Round 21
Collingwood vs. Carlton L
Round 22
Sydney Swans vs. Carlton L

The 92-point loss was the team's 18th defeat by 10 goals or more from 74 games under coach Denis Pagan. That's 24 per cent, or one in four games, lost by 60 points or more, since 2003.



Great record... Can't all be list's fault.

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I was impressed with what Sheldon had to say and I wouldnt mind seeing him back at the club in some capacity...his ideas on trading older players for better picks and getting A grade young talent to the club is the way to go...

There is hope with ex players like Sheldon and Maclure having some idea of what is required..I just hope we can get the right people in the right positions without it being a long draw out affair and a lot of time being wasted....

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My belief is that players tend to do the 1% when a new coach comes on board because they are scared witless that the new boss is going to axe them. In my view that makes them weak - they get paid buckets of money to play professional football and they should do that and not piss the ball to the opposition like some little leaguers.

If the players among themselves, have decided to play the way that they have been because they know that Pagan will be axed, then that would not surprise me but it would disgust me.

Someone at the club needs to pull their finger out and make a DECISION about where we are going, moving forward.

We need someone to lead this club and McClure is right - there is no plan in place for the future [what future?]

To make matters worse, there is no question that Collingwood is going to win the Flag this year [barring any injuries] and if the Dons keep playing the way they have been, they will also get Bryce Gibb and a PDP!