Well Ballistic he better be tanking because if he aint then his coaching tactics have lot to be desired ..... hope the players know what he is doing

he effort against the crows was dam poor so either he is failing badly as a coach or he is tanking and pulling the breaks when we start to get a bit of confidence and start to score.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

I think it's a great idea for the club to be out talking to any and all possible recruits. Don't know where we might finish and how the players may be rated after the draft camp but they all have to know that we would like to have them at the club.

Would like two young mobile ruckmen, two key position defenders, a running back pocket, a couple of dashing half back flankers, some more onballers in fact anyone with the skill ability drive desire and courage to be a Carlton player.

Just by the way am I correct that under the new priority pick rules of not winning more than 4 games in two seasons we are the only club entitled to a priority pick this year if we don't win 4 games?

Why tank? We can't get a priority pick and the draft is supposed to be very even, so difference between 1 & 8 will not be great. Maybe he's not as good as you think he is.

We exceeded our "quota" last year.

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can we just a have a big @#$%&! banner explaining that one I can see its going to drive me crazy before the year is out.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We won 4 + a draw last year. I think we are trying to argue the draw should not be included.

I think we need a sticky!!!

I reckon they should count 10 goal thrashings, a P.P for every four of those -

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Are we calling it a meaningless draw???

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Dannyboy,

The new priority pick rule is that you can't win more than 4 games in 2 consecutive seasons. Every other club won 5 games or more last year. If the AFL says that our draw counts then we don't get a priority pick but if it's not a win then we could end up with 3 picks in the first 20 of the draft if we don't win more than 4 games this year. Our first pick, then the priority pick after the first round of selections and then our next pick early in the second round.

Tanking i can semi understand with the position we're in - not saying i aggree with it, just saying i understand it.

But you can be competitive even if you are tanking. There is no excuse for that!

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I reckon we will win more than 4 -3rd win will come up on Sunday against Port -and we still have to play Richmond Hawthorn and Kangas and still reckon we could beat the shockers here as well

Based on our recent form???

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We still play the Bummers again too...

You giuys make it sound like we will win 8 this year.. and then what???

We have huge issues!!!.. winning games of footy right now means nothing... like it meant nothing in 2004...

what we need is a huge shakeup in the match committee/ coaching area and an injection of talent to develop.

Anything else will kill us

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Geezus!!

We have one group saying there's little difference in the quality of kids from 1-8 so we should win games; and then we have another saying winning means nothing and we should tank to get the best kid possible even if he isn't much different from the next!

WTF?? Maybe that's why Pagan's confused?

Apparantly no one reads them anyway

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Synbad agree that we need big shake up and didnt say anything about winning 8 games and dont think we shouldnt have a huge cull of PLAYERS AND OFFICIALS at the end of the year
However dont believe in tanking and I think we have improved from last year so can win 5-6 games for the year -I dont think we will be the worst team in the AFL this year and I DONT think Richmond Port Hawthorn Essendon* are much better than us
On form Port will beat us but they are not consistent and if they have a downer we will win
I still believe it is important for the psyche of young players like Murphy simpson bentick walker kennedy to win some games - I consider that the development of wiggins sporn livo and a few others have been stymied by being part of the units in 2002- 2003 that were belted and they have been scarred mentally - dont want that to happen to our next generation -they need to win occasionally
Your proposition and mine arent necessarily mutually exclusive

I think your misunderstanding what people are saying Nick.

There is not a lot of difference between a group of players at the momenmt to pick from. That might change kater on but at the moment its pretty close. So pick 1 or pick 3 is not a lot of gap.

But some on this forum want the extra pick that winning 4 games or less will bring. That would mean an extra 2nd round pick taken before everyone elses 2nd round pick. Perhaps if we qualify foir that we can argue that our draw last year was irrelevent and we should qualify for 4 wins or less 2 years in a row and therefore a 1st round priority pick.

That would mean for example pick 1 , 17 , 18.

and if we could argue the draw is irrelevent

pick 1,2,18

My point of view is that I want the kids on the list to develop as much as possible. That doesnot mean play all of them at once or play kids in the AFL who are not ready. But faced with an inform, fit physically ready kid like Jordan Russell or keeping David Teague in the seniors. Well I go with JR.

I would not play Setanta yet as his form is not there. Edwards is not ready either. Hartlett needs 4 or 5 solid games in the VFL when he is fit again. So will Bower. But Jackson should continue to play VFL and get good ground time. Raso should be looked at for some VFL. Maybe 1 more week in the VFL reserves.

No problem dropping Blackwell back down to get some confidence and bring in Carrazzo and Jordan Russell.

If that means 2 wins or 10 wins I am just trying to give younger players who have earnt there position a go. I would continue to play a couple of the blokes on the fringes if the younger blokes are not in form or there are injuries. Players like Wiggins and Sporn. But I would also try a couple in different positions as well.

I think our kids are coming along okay and dont feel it would be a disaster if we miss out on the 2nd round priority pick. I think we need to squeeze as much out of our young group this year in terms of development. So thats the VFL reserves, VFL and AFL and play them all in positions that are meaningful and develop them. Not put every single young midfielder we have in the back pocket, or to tag, or on the bench or drop them.

Nothing wrong with teaching a kid the defensive side of the game but does everyone need that grounding? No kid under 25 is allowed to play on the ball? How about play some of them on the ball and then see what there defensive side of there game is like then.

Can these players play midfield?

Carrazzo, AW, JR ?

How about we find out for the rest of the year by giving them time in there. Take Kouta, Stevens and Scotland from 90 minutes a game in the midfield and reduce it to 60 and give that 30 minutes to some youngsters to show what they have got.

Then we get a bit if an idea. We ease the load on our senior players who will run the game out better. We are harder to coach against and wear down and we start the process of development.

If that means we win 8 or 3 games I dont know. Its not tanking. Using the same 4 or 5 midfielders all the time is a slow painful ineviatble death. Might seem like your maximising your chances to win. What you get is competitive for the main for half a game and then run right over the top of when those same players can't keep up anymore.

Sound familar in this last year and a half or more?

Then we can get all these threads about how Stevens is pathetic and lets trade him. Play him less in there. Judd gets rested. Kerr starts on the bench. Adelaide are forever roatating there runners. We use the bench the least and rely on the same players over and over.

It is not working. Its narrow minded and lacking in any vision.

I want something done about it. Starting this week.

Frank....have to agree with the sailorman on this one..be in our interests to be finishing down the list and having first crack at Bryce Gibbs and co....we need at least two A grade potential players to give us a lift in class.
We cant compete with what we have and the days of pinching players are over especially when you dont have the dough.....Collingwood and Hawthorn both have positioned themselves for want of a better word to take advantage of previous drafts and to me its an accepted practice now and part of the landscape of rebuilding....

Essendon* will join Collingwood and Hawthorn and be the next big tankers....
Sheedy will play kids the rest of the year and use injuries, rebuilding as excuse but in reality will be lining Gibbs/Sellar etc up as Essendon* players...we would be silly if we didnt play the game as well.....

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We get a gun kid this year.. and so do eight other clubs.
And by gun i mean maybe even better than Murphy.. so we need every edge we can get.
Because right now were playing catch up .I also agree with Mojo that the time is now to see who can do what.. instead of playing it safe.
The whisper is the board has asked/told Denis to change the gameplan again... were meant to be less defensive this week.

We have a coach that the board dictates game plans to these days... I dont understannd why we dont just cut to the chase,
Also on the grapevine barring injury JK is out..

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