Of course we love Murph - he wears the navy blue.

We also love Fev (pick 38 ) and Fish (72) and Bentick(R) as well as Simmo(40 something) etc etc.

We've not taken to Livo(4) but love JK(4) so are we prepared to keep getting belted?? NO. We want to win as soon as possible starting Friday night.

The difference BETWEEN picks 1 and 10 will most likely be minimal anyway.

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I'm with GWS...and George Harris....reality is we need some class A graders more than we need to beat the Kangaroos and I wont be dissapointed if we lose...its the system and Essendon* like Hawthorn and Collingwood did last year have decided to embrace it so we would be silly not to be planning the same...

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I don't know where I said we should lose this week. I think I was stating that the reality was we aren't in a position to pick and choose who we'll beat as we are crap anyway.

I think it's a delicate balance though between planning for the future and not looking like a rabble in the present.

So the ultimate result is not to win more than four games in a year, but at the same time not get belted at any stage, while also trying to have those wins evenly spaced out through the season so there are no long losing streaks - i.e. Rounds 4, 9, 14, 19.

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2004 draft
Number 1 Pick - Brett Deledio
Number 10 Pick - Chris Egan

No real difference there

Sorry - was thinking circa 2005 and the Bombers would have had Picks 1 and 2 rather than 1 and 17 - you get my drift on the rest though I assume.



Actually I don't think I made a judgement on what's best Elwood.

But now that you mention it...

I don't give a stuff about winning right now. I'd prefer to see us go down in a game along the lines of the Eagles game where we back ourselves and run and attack and have a forward line and do all the things that make footy a pleasure to watch rather than win a scrappy floodfest against a crap opposition.

I've said all along that while we're restocking I'd be a happy camper if we lost every match by 1 point playing hard fought exciting football.

At this stage of our development the actual result is just a number and merely provides bragging rights for bogans whose self-worth is based on the ability of their chosen team to beat the chosen team of another bunch of bogans.

Get the development and restocking right however and then we can actually start winning games that matter (like finals and premierships).

At that time I shall release my inner bogan.

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Gotcha, GWS.

I still don't think tanking circa 06 gives enough benefits to justify it.

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Not even if pick 18 or so this year is the equivalent of pick 5-10 most years?

I'm not going to slash my wrists (like some ) if we don't get the 2nd round PP this year but I really don't care whether we win more games or not providing the endeavour is there and we look like we at least know what we're doing (ie actually having a forward line etc).

If that happens and we get the pick I'll be a lot happier than if we play some crap footy but sneak another 3 wins.

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I can't see us sneaking together a few wins playing crap footy (over defensive)…I see us winning 1 or 2 more games for the season if we do that. However if we deliver quickly & well to the fwd line & play like we did against Melb, WCE, and to a lesser extent Ess, then I can see us winning possibly 4 or 5 of our last 10.

The point about pick 18 being equal to a top 10 from last year is a good one, but the value of this pick stacked up against the value of experiencing success for our younger guys is just an intangible that can't really be calculated. But personally I just think at some point you've got to actually start to learn how to win. Not just for the teenagers of the side but also the likes of Tbird Wiggins Simpson Livo (if we retain him) who have all only really known playing in losing sides.

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The ideal scenario would be for Essendon* to win the spoon and we come second last with 4 wins.

Beating to Roos will be OK providing we only win one more game (against Essendon*).

Hopefully there will be quality ruckman still available at picks #18 and #20 as we are pretty desperate in this area.

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Okay so here's your multiple choice:

A. We play hard good footy every game and lose them all by small margins. We get a Priority Pick.

B. We play abominable football and lose them all badly. We get a Priority Pick.

C. We play hard good footy every game and win 3 of them by small margins. We miss the Priority Pick.

D. We play crap footy generally but manage to pull our fingers out in 3 games and win them. We miss the Priority Pick.

E. We play great footy and win at least 7 of our remaining 11 games. We miss the Priority Pick.


As I look at it at the moment E is highly unlikely. Then again we managed to do something similar in 2004 and everyone's since been bitching about how far that set us back (false dawn's, lack of PP etc).

For me that only leaves A as a desirable option. C's not so different but we'd be potentially swapping 3 one point wins for an additional Simpson/Fisher/Betts etc.

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Winning is for teams that have the class to win.
winning 5 games this year and not 4 is a disaster.


But that kind of thinking can only be understood by people that arent powered by an 'ID'....
So i am not expecting you to understand.....

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Yes we need picks for sure. But dont think for a second that winning will not be good for the club. I truly believe and its obviously my opinion that we have a nucleous of a side for the future already, other than a few tweaks here and there depending on the players we are waiting to come through.

I have been wanting to lose last year to get Murphy and hoping for Kennedy which we got, thank goodness. But I am now tiring of this wanting to lose attitude. I am in two minds most of the time.

What this club is lacking is knowing how to win, the players have no confidence hence the bad skill and decision making.

If we can all of a sudden learn how to win again, and the players gain confidence, this is the way forward.

If we win fantastic, and if we lose we will get the picks. There are enough good players going around in the draft this year.

I will go and support the club and cheer no matter what happens. I am rambling, but I want to see smiles on our young kids faces again, and it will not happen until we have some wins. Members want to see this also. But I do know what the priority picks mean to us also. CATCH 22 FOLKS.

I'd prefer A over B & D aswell GWS.

(but I'd still prefer E over A - unlikely though )




I completely agreed with this call last year but this year you're saying missing out on pick 18 would be a disaster

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Of course I'm talking about the super draft where any number of the top 15 could go at #1.

2004 was a dud draft and Collingwood made a dud decision.

I think Deledio is quite good but Buddy will be the best (pick 5 ) of the crop long term.

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IF YOU CAN'T BE ARSED READING A RANTY POST, LOOK AWAY NOW

Jeez, you'd be spewing if you were terminally ill and realised that your footy team had to throw games for a few years before they decided they had enough talent to start winning again

You'd be spewing if you were (an about to retire?) Kouta knowing that you're only allowed to play in up to two more wins this season

You'd be spewing if you were in the membership department at CFC knowing that there's a directive against winning - and wins mean members

Other than that, you'd be pretty over the moon about only winning two more games this year, I would have thought

And as with my Synbad tete-a a-tete last week, I KNOW that getting three picks in the top 20 is a very clever by half thing to do. It's still a sucky system though - and I believe people like myself and CK and others need to vent and piss and spew about the SYSTEM to make themselves feel a bit better

On another matter, if we ARE t@$%ing, does that mean the mid-season review will see all the young ones come into the side? If we're following the Hawks' model then it means playing the inexperienced youth to get games into them, doesn't it? Now that would be fine with me

* leaves the room to angrily slap paint on the house *

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My logic has been that we tank when we dont play the kids - picking Teague and Sporn over Russell and or a Hartlett actually weakens the team in my view.

Sorry, me again. I honestly thought this was a t@$%ing thread - apologies for pseudo-hijacking

Re the game this Friday - hooray for free-to-air! The Blues to win this handsomely - Lance as captain to have a profound effect on the team, methinks.

No particular reason, I just said so

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I think you're buzzing if you think thats the case