10 years worth of 1st round draft picks

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If he did say it "to all and sundry" it's because all and sundry were standing on the hotspot alongside Lance waiting for the next high bomb to come in as per Pagan's Silly Game Plan. In actual fact it was a statement perhaps very understandably made in a moment of frustration to his mate Molloy of C'wood who, for some reason, went to the press with it.

The crux of the matter is that CFC was (and still is) handing over a big fat cheque to a coach who couldn't tell the difference between Wayne Carey and Lance Whitnall nor Norfs of the 90s and Carlton of the new millenium. Lance was able to see the game plan for what is was (a recipe for failure) a few games into the 2003 pre-season - it would take Pagan another 3 yrs to grudgingly come to the same conclusion.

Ratten was sacked and banished from the club for criticizing Pagan's plan and approach - and Lance had his wings clipped over the ensuing years. You can continue on with your BigFootyesque Fatnall line for all you're worth but it was Pagan's egoistic obsession with a game plan accentuating Lance and the teams' weaknesses that did the most damage to the club's self-belief and development.

Lance is a fine on-the-field leader and having a leader with such a great feel for the game is an enormous advantage to a young developing team. Pagan is pointing the spotlight - as is his want - at the leadership group for the loss against Norfs but the likelihood is that the newer game plan we've played over the past 2 weeks came out of a meeting with the player leadership group. That Pagan has criticized the team's leaders after Lance's first game as captain is absolutely amazing and is just another example of how a completely out-of-touch Pagan continues to undermine player self-belief.

If you want to get rid of a leader, let's get rid of the one who can't recognize a buck when it stops at his desk - Pagan. Not Lance.


And while we're on the subject of the Red Rooster, why don't you ask your insider what position he plays best...

oh well, anyway i reckon it was refreshing for our captain to speak out about leadership and cop it on the chinny chin chin

now where were we? oh that's right.......who's on second?..

...we all should have a laugh because none of this stuff is really that serious

or is it?

Is Lance 28 i thought he was currently 26 and turning 27 in a couple of months

Not sure where him being 28 was dreamed up ?

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

26, turning 27 sometime close to Rnd22.

Big rumour that now Geelong have Hawkins they are thinking about trading their first rnder for Akermanis as they see their window of premiership opportunity as now....

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Good on them.

From all reports, Hawkins is going to be every bit the superstar. If they can trade their first rounder for Akermanis, or even Spider Everitt, then I say do it.

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No way should they do it.
Theyre still a pretty young side with a maybe 5 year window .

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You reckon they're that far off?

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No, i reckon they can win a premiership anytime over the next 5 years because theyre young enough.
They dont need a 30 year player to burn a first round pick ... they have time and shouldnt be desperate.
The Ottens experiment buggered them up.. like all the dud trades StKilda did buggered them up.

Just keep your own is the lesson.

Unless its a Judd or something.

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They need pace and a bit of foot skills under pressure - Enright and Kelly are suspect under pressure. I think it would be agreat decision, and given Thompson probably is on his last legs with that list I could understand why they did it.

Probabluy not a first rounder though, surely at Aker's age? Second rounder should get him?

I think a 1st rnder will be neccessary as other deluded clubs are interested ie Melbourne and that will force the price up...
I wouldnt do it...not for a player whose prime intent is for a media career....
what does Aker offer that Paul Chapman doesnt provide or Gary Ablett jnr?
I would be getting another A grade kid to help Hawkins and setting the club up for a cycle of success...

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What if it was for a red-headed all australian half-back?

You'd think this was the split round, given that we are talking about Geelong.

While we are on the subject of Geelong and Aker - we sometimes forget that some players are brilliant because of the players around them.

Aker might be a dud at Geelong as there is no Voss, Black or Lappin feeding it to him.

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Maybe Voss, Black and Lappin will be duds when Aker isn't finishing off their good work up the field.

Aker's one of the great footballing geniuses of the past 20 years as far as I'm concerned. A truly brilliant player. To suggest that he's only good because of those around him...

That's crazy talk...

On the other hand if I was a supporter of a club that traded a first rounded for him at the end of this year I'd be just about ready to kill.

Aker might only play another year or two whilst gradually losing his speed and resilience - a first round pick might play another 10-15.

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Just on Geelong, it amuses me the way they keep bleating about never having any decent early drafts picks. Well, what about their father-sons???
Scarlett, the two Abletts (well, one at this stage!) and now, perhaps the mother of them all, Hawkins. Blake could be alright for them, too.

And then there's the scum, who have been trotting out the same line. But didn't they get the first pick last year with Ryder???

There's something in the water down there at Sleepy Hollow...

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is that what we refer to as windy hill or am i way off? if that is what we call windy hill i like it

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Simmo showed the most spirit out there.
its all about the kids.

Like i said.. one guy is not the answer at Carlton right now.

Lance Captain??? Yeah right...... he is struggling to even play the game mobility wise.

What we did need was a rotating captaincy to allow as many players as possible to create a ledership tier.

There is no Sticks Kernahan... Big Nick at Carlton today.

As a matter of fact Lance has struggled with the captaincy.

Go the red Rooster!!!!

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Hmm, Geelong looking 10 years away today against Adelaide.