and when you have a system that aloows you to do well and you @#$%&! that up then gee guess what, it looks like a lack of system. That first fifteen minutes was all about system and our system was far better than theirs but....

we missed...

then we really started to miss...verything...How many times today did we pass the ball to them?????

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Go watch other clubs and then come back and watch us....

Youll soon recognise we have NO GAMEPLAN/SYSTEM/STRUCTURE.. whatever you want to call it...

Ok Dannyboy... what patters did you see us attempting to play???

If you can answer that question ill be on your side and say ... "Denis is a gun coach.. but none of our players have any ability"... ok???

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now go back and find where i say denis is a gun coach - see this is black and white crap again. Did Denis react well today? No. But fair dinkum if those blokes could actually kick the ball through the sticks, being young (and raw to use your term) it might helpt their confidence and the struicture in place if we could apply some pressure.

To not acknowledge the things done well is to not be of any help. You can always point out what goes wrong - anyone can. But there was also some right today, and of that right had have been completed, as it should have been by the rawest recruit, we might just have done a lot better.

Carrots miss was a heart breaker - it convinced that whole side we were doomed to lose. Head gone, body follows suit.

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i think youre looking at the hole of the donut and not the whole of the donut...

See its not important whether Carrotts and everyone else kicked those goals... wanna know why????

cos even if they kicked them... we probably would have lost anyway....and whether we beat Geelong or lost to them makes no difference in the bigger scheme of things and that is....... are you paying attention?????........ we have no system.. which breeds a lack of confidence because were expecting individual feats to win us games and not a set and planned team approach....

and youre not going to win too many game on individual feats compared to planned/ structured/ organised game plans and set plays....

Does that make sense???

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You make some valid points Synbad but I don't think we should underestimate what a miss like the one from Carrazzo does for the morale and psyche of the team. That was the most heart-breaking miss but there were others in the first quarter and a side as mentally fragile as us must kick those goals. Maybe it's only because we missed our chances in the first place that we had little structure for the rest of the game as players were in despair, the confidence was gone and the tide could not be turned.

Yes you're probably right we still would probably have lost anyway regardless of whether Carrots had kicked the goal or not but I think that the effect that a miss like that has on this side is enormous.

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Correct

Carlton has no structure/gameplay

One week we might snag a win but without a set structure and gameplan you wont duplicate the wins.

But BB2005.. doesnt it frustrate you that we have alot of players who dont know what theyre doing out there?
Lack of blocking/ shepherding.
Running into each others space.
Lack of fluency in bringing the ball into 50
No idea with the kickouts.
Handballing into trouble.



Carazzo missing a goal is irelevant because we have no base to work from as far as a team sense is concerned.

The amount of times blokes have to stop running forward and go backwards because there is NOTHING...
Or find themselves in trouble... because there is noone offering options...
Or players dont know who theyre on.. or played out of position means when it is your turn .... youre probably going to @#$%&! it up because nothing is orderly.....

I cannot understand how after FOUR YEARS players dont have an ethos .. they do not know whats expected of them ...

You cannot continue to just swallow that , thinking things will improve.

THEY WILL NOT IMPROVE!!!...

He cannot teach... so we need someone who CAN TEACH or were going nowhere...

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Thats exactly what im trying to say.

I dont care about todays game.. and how if we kicked straight we may or may not have won .. or come closer.
Im interested in a package that will give us multiple wins.. maybe not on the scoreboard but wins with players development.

Currently there is nothing to hang our hat on.

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yeah well at the moment you dont know what team is going to turn up

I'd be happy if the Bullants did.

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Ummmm ..... There’s a fair slice of our side that should probably be in the Bullants!!

I’m not bagging those guys, just stating the obvious. The Sporns, Bannos, Archies, Wiggos, McGraths, Carrots, etc bust their guts each week trying, but would they get a game with any other AFL side??

Throw in a stack of kids that get out muscled each week, and the team doesn’t look too hot. Throw in skill errors, and …. WOW ….. we get thumped!!

Oh yeah, “It must all be Denis’ fault. Oh …. and Lance’s fault as well, forgot about him for a second.â€

To me sitting on the wing, frustrating to see fevola wandering down into the half back line looking for kicks with no one from either side down carltons end.

To watch fevola start his lead from 30-40 metrs out instead of from the square. no wonder he does not kick more, no wonder Geelong found it so easy to clear the ball when they had sometimes 3 defenders running loose

If we are tanking lets do it well and not break the spirits of players and supporters.

It is best to go down trying positive football 100% of the time, that to play out of position negative chipping "football????" . Are we thinking ahead AND TEACHING OUR PLAYERS TO GIVE 100% UNTIL THE FINAL SIREN.

I dont think we are

" Gameplan ".........close your eyes and kick the shit out of it.

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Ummmm ..... There’s a fair slice of our side that should probably be in the Bullants!!

I’m not bagging those guys, just stating the obvious. The Sporns, Bannos, Archies, Wiggos, McGraths, Carrots, etc bust their guts each week trying, but would they get a game with any other AFL side??

Throw in a stack of kids that get out muscled each week, and the team doesn’t look too hot. Throw in skill errors, and …. WOW ….. we get thumped!!

Oh yeah, “It must all be Denis’ fault. Oh …. and Lance’s fault as well, forgot about him for a second.â€

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or he can teach but not what you want.

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Synbad wrote


There has to be a game plan, of some sort. That doesn't imply that it is the right one though. Even you say so yourself Synbad, the game plan, whether it's full on flooding or not, is too defensive.

I think tactically speaking we seem to not be executing any of your areas of concern; we lack flexibility; and the game plan seems one dimensional.

At present we have more kids than I've seen with any team in the past. You have also said in the recent past that we lack enough quality players and experience on the field, and that is what Denis has to work with. He is no doubt limited in what he can do with what he has got. You have also stated consistently, that we lack leaders too, and I agree with that.

My incling is that if there is a plan and they talk about it at training and at meetings, which I suspect that they do (whether it's Denis' game plan or the leadership group's) they are not executing it. If that is the case, then I would suggest that there is not enough 'leaders' or senior players executing it correctly, and therefore not showing the way to the kids and they are not training effectively or enough on these tactics you mention.

Someone has to show how it's done, and as you've said in the past, there is not enough 'support' or 'talent' to execute if there is a plan.

The bottom line for me is that we are victims of our own past. It started with Ian Rice, and ended when Elliot was gone. That wasn't that long ago. Have a look at our facilties, our full time coaching staff, our finances and compare them to the teams that are doing well. There's a lot in that. I'm sure Denis has made mistakes and enemies too.

The current batch of kids are exciting. We're too young and inexperienced to execute plans to our expectation, and have a lot of work to do to improve. I don't doubt that Denis has some learning and adjusting to do. My question consistently focusses on his support staff and their capabilities.

It's not a one man show.

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"Enough is enough" ..... !!!!
What's that all about ? Blinded by rage are we? If your focus ever changed ..... oh bugger it, what's the point!!! Everyone is an idiot!!! The Board must be stupid coz they re-appointed a useless coach without any ideas that is in charge of team whose senior players are all selfish non-leaders!! ..... AND .... we members are idiots coz we voted for the fools that make up the Board that re-appointed the dumb coach that has no ideas ........ etc etc

Maybe Denis can check out Mick Malthouse's methods and game plan coz he's one of the best going around ..... Wobble only lost by 10 goals .... he could learn alot there!!

We are a long way off being a force once again, so in the mean time, these forums will be dominated by "broken record" "sack Denis" posts. .....And I'll keep reading them coz occasionly we do "Talk Carlton" ..... and that's what I enjoy reading ..... !!