Denis said in his after match Press Conference that he thought that some of the players especially the younger blokes got a bit ahead of themselves after last week. It was certainly very disappointing and I'm not sure personally how you can go from the performance last week to what was served up in the first half today, maybe Denis is right.

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They cant mid year Synbad and their supporters have been complaining for years about how the salary cap hurts them and they have to let players go

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There you go, he dishes it out at the young players. Ok, the young players had the least possessions, but how much game time did some of them get?

What's the difference between getting ahead of themselves and confidence? Does Denis even know the difference? It's like he wants them to lose so that they are resolved to do better next time...

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It doesnt matter of they can mid year or not.. they dont have to rely on a draft for their long term future do they???

Its not like if they have no senior players that are any good.. and no kids they cant just go get them from somewhere.

We have to draft kids that are 17 and cross our fingers and hope.

By finishing near the bottom there is less hoping...

and its like a J curve.. there is a point where it turns around organically.

I agree Pagan has lost it.. and by not picking smith he erred in my opinion because he believed this game was winnable and he didnt want the wooden spoon.

But the fact remains Smith needs to be played so we can make a decision on him.

Its all small minded stuff.

BUT... we could have had Guus Hiddink and wed be near the bottom ..

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Denis should take a long hard look at himself and his staffers.

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Synbad I was trying to make the point that side can turn things round we dont seem to be able to do anything we are getting worse .

By the wat Guus leaves his players on the bench to long as well

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There was no way the Hawks could keep up that blistering pace all game. We were always going to come back at them after they ran out of puff.

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Yes we might play above ourselves and get to position 15th on the ladder or 14th.... but its not about that.

In my opinion id spew if we have spent 5 years at the foot of the ladder and we just rise to be average with average football players.

In my opinion whilst were down here......... the club should make sure it leaves no stone unturned to accumulate the kind of talent it takes to give us a crack at a flag.

Smith should have played today... no ifs no buts.

Its just weak that he didnt!!!

Denis saw an opportunity to not tarnish his tarnished record even more and Smith suffered.

So what happens now???

Does smith come in for 2 or 3 games where he has to show something to remain on our list but sits on the bench??
He needs time to show something.. were just going to pressure him to try and show us inside 3 games (when we all know he wont be on long).. just so Denis can win a game of footy...

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Denis won't win a game of footy with dumb matchups we had today, such as Walker starting on Williams leading from the goal square, taking one of our dominant play makers out of the play. Hawks must have loved that one.

btw, Lappin interviewd after the game about what Pagan said to them at half time .... said Denis asked them what they thought of their own performance. He said they told Denis they were insipid, and were not going in hard, not holding tackles .... in other words, what we all knew after 5 minutes into the 1st quarter.

Its what happens when they come to the club that worries me the most I dont care where they come in the draft . I know its better getting early picks but there is still plenty of success stories of guys taken late showing a lot

Why haven't Hartlett - Russel and Betts been re-signed yet . Will Bryan get another contract .

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My question is: if they knew what was the problem, why didn't they try to fix them?

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But there are success stories of people winning tattslotto too...

But the chances of you winning tatts with one ticket isnt shit hot is it???

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Exactly, Synners. Time is fast running out on Smith. We can't give him another year on the RL to see if he's up to it. Play the kid until the end of year.
It's a good point you make about the draft. The advantage has certainly been eroded this year with the PP changes, which has he exacerbated by the alleged depth of talent.
We get a couple of great kids ... but so does everyone else. Geelong stand to be the biggest beneficiaries.
That is why we have to try and get any advantage we can by snaring another pick.

I think Denis was right about our players getting ahead of themselves, but maybe everyone at the club did. The Hawks were fantastic in the opening quarter. They ran so hard and showed fantatsic commitment. They deserve a lot of kudos for that. Talent doesn't make you run at the ball harder than your opposition.

The second quarter was a little bit better from our view point, but then Franklin dipped in with a sublime 5 minute cameo to really take the game away from us.

I was hoping we would make some sort of comeback and while the ultimate result was still bitterly disappointing I thought it was great that we were able to generate enough chances to win the game. However, like a lot of elite sports it's the difference between making you chances and then taking them that separates the winners from the losers.

And the fact that the Hawks let such a dominant position slip to a point where they could have lost the game really does prove IMO, that young teams are up and down from quarter to quarter, let alone week to week.

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I dont disagree with you but there is no point bring early draft picks to the club if they are not going to be developed properly .

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So we shouldnt bring in quality cos we have Denis for 2 more years???

Look thats dumb reasoning.

The good kids are better at coaching themselves anyway.

So we need more Murphs who can just walk in and play.

But remember... Denis isnt here forever... and picking up talent is important .

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Our No2 draft pick and No9 look like they need a lot of coaching .

There is no point going through seasons coming last getting quality kids and then not developing them you may as well get retreads and be competitive

and I will bet you Denis gets resigned again

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Nothing worng with our number 2 pick.

In regards to our number 9 pick.. i have always maintained the drafts number 1 pick and the number 5 pick would have done me...

But that would have meant we didnt win 10 games of footy that year right???

So youre just backing up what im saying.


Early equals more quality on a % than later.

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Not a Jordan Russell fan Synbad?

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You know I keep hearing that our forward line is OK. We need a new ruckman, some more classy midfielders and extra strength in the backline. However, the way I see it our forward line is very, very ordinary (Fevola aside).

Fisher - He runs hard, takes numerous contested marks around the forward line (10 this week), but can not kick for nuts. He struggles to kick over 35 metres and is often wayward.

Waite - He is a prima donna. He prounces around the forward line like a cat. He takes numerous marks around the forward line (similar to Fish 9 this week), but consistently drops many marks that he should be taking. When the opposition has the ball he cat like abilities come into play again and he just curls up and goes to sleep. Is this guy fit at all?

Kouta - Enough said about Kouta already. He has been a champion, but the game has sadly passed him by. His turnovers today really cost us. Kouta should retire as if he plays next year it will get even more embarrassing.

Betts - Eddie tries hard. We all love Eddie. We love his chasing and we love his tackling. He had a gem of a tackle in the last quarter today. But Eddie goes missing too much for my liking.

Fev - An out an out champion. He is still a bit petulant, but I'll take the 8 goals from him anyday. A delight to watch.

Other bit players - Bryan (nice grab, but two easy misses), French (nice positioning, but missed a sitter), Lappin (nice game by Matty today, but his focus today was on goal assists).

That's it. So we need talent all over the ground.