Yes, Lance tells people where to run ... where as Fev inspires people to take action.

Go for the leader, not the school teacher!!!

Obviously you don't see Fev at training, although he has improved he still doesn't use his voice. I understand his actions lead the way on the field but Lance has both characteristics.

Lance tells people where to run so he doesnt have to.

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Fev was providing leadership at training in 2003. How come no-one noticed then?

I've been a long time reader and seldom poster, but you guys are now starting to delude yourselves, so I've decided to add my bullshit to it.

Over the last few years I've read all sorts of junk on this site relating to trading. In reality very few trades happen. Why? Because every team is trying to improve, hence the players we are trying to offlaod are the players that are not interesting to other teams. We have finished on the bottom, or as good as, for years players that can't make it with us are not regarded as good trade bait.

Get over It!

Whitnall, is a blues player for life. (Last year was the last chance, now he will be captain)
Stevens, has been woked into a rut where his value is more to us than in any trade.
Livo, who would trade for what is about to be released?
Wiggo, has shown enough to stay.
Houla, don't be stuipid. We can't stand him most of the time.
Sporn, same as Livo.
Davies, who...?
McGrath, tries hard but... worst disposal in the league.
Teague, did he really win a Carlton B&F?


No team is going to trade a fisrst round pick for anything less than a player, that they believe is going to win them a Premiership within 2 years.

It's just the way the game is now.

All the "lets get 4 pick in the top 10" threads are like our junk quarters. Just a waste of time.

The only way to growth is through leadership, structure and... (hate to say it ) MONEY.

Cheers.

God help us from embassment if Lance is captain.

Fev might embarass us too but its a different type of embarassment.

If Lance is our captain.... we have a captain who struggles to play the game physically .

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I don't think Fev should be made Capt just yet.

He has had a great season and seems to have his head screwed on atm. But he needs another season to prove himself and show that this is how he is going to be for the rest of his playing days at Carlton.

Sometimes "Hollywood Fevola" looks like he is putting it all on for the cameras.

I love Fev, but for Capt, I am not sold yet.

Lance also has to take 1 more step this year, he needs to come back from pre-season having lost a lil weight and work hard, lead and set examples from day 1.

Stevo has had a few question marks over him atm with some of his "less than 100% efforts" that a Capt needs to do for his side, and to be honest, I can't really see Stevo getting over a player who has been at Carlton since day 1. But good luck to him.

All 3 need to show a lil something more next year.

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AWWWWWW STEVENS.

gotta have faith.

You have to have faith that your best player will continue to improve with the extra responsibility of fatherhood and captaincy.
You have to have faith in your kids so you give them more game time and more responsibility to create and be free to play footy.

We lack faith because were shit scared so were stuck with maybe having to make a guy who is incapable of playing the modern game Captain.

Just make some faith decisions for the future of this footy club and stop being so conservative.
Its a young side and the great thing about kids is they feel bulletproof.(except after we get our hands on them). They have an infectuous desire to be bold and play footy.

We give them a dozen reasons why theyre not good enough and why they have to sit on the bench or play a hundred games of football to tag.. or lead but we wont honour your leads (Kennedy)..

Its just teaching them to lose confidence in themselves .,

Thats why its a good idea to make a decision thats outside of the box.

No risk equals little return.


Like what were getting right now.

Fevola can excite and enthuse and that is infectuous.

He needs to take his game to an even higher level and he can drag his team with him.

Noone else at the club can do that yet.!!!


And i think youd find the alot of kids would love him to be Captain.(At least thats what a couple ive heard from say about their peers)
The other thing is Brendan has put his hand up and wants it now!!!...

He has shed 7 kilos and has gone from 102 kilos to 95 kilos. Which makes him "look sick"(he says) but "hasnt made me lose his strength but has improved his mobility and endurance"

Seven kilos is alot to lose ut its paid handsome dividends for him.

I reckon he is the single most influencial player at the club.(By a street)

Sure we can make Lance captain... and then hide him from frontliners or protect him.. or work out game plans to keep him from being exposed and chopped up...in a year we might even keep kids out of the side to keep Lance in the side ... all because he points on the field...

Look if Lance is as smart as they say... we should trade him and when he is done in AFL we can bring him back to be an assitant coach.

But right now the game is that flower fast we need every player in the team capable of complying to its pace and rigours or were playing with a man short.

Lance would be a gun at a club that has a midfield that controls the pill... and he is third or fourth forward.. so while the other forwards get the attention he can slip away and create the 'slip away' option.. which is what he does best.

But i would hate to see OUR captain not be a frontliner and is a 'slip away option' type.

We need frontliners!!!

If im hard on Lance now.. its because i remember the little effort he and a few of his mates have made towards the cause over a few years where they just sponged off the club and gave little effort in return.

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I am happy to give Lance the captaincy for the next two years but from 2009 Marc the Messiah should be our captain until he retires. But all the same, if we get an offer of a top 10 draft pick for Lance I would take it in a heartbeat.

Lance, Fev and Stevo are the only ones that would go remotely close to tempting a first round pick from any of the other clubs and there is no way we should even think of trading Fev so the only other possibility woulld be Stevo.

In the end I do not think it will happen so I will be happy to clear out the list of the ADLs et al and fill up with more kids.

We just need to create an environment for the kids to develop

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Only slightly, only slightly less
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Sorry to get back to the topic, but I see it that our #1 or 2 picks will be important, but our picks 17 and 18 will be as good as another top 10 pick in years gone by.

This is where we'll benefit above the other teams. If, as they say, the entire top 20 could easily go in practically any order we're in the box seat to collect 3 of the best players, where most teams will only get 1.

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Brizzyblue i think you are in dream land if you expect Carlton to actively trade players for draft picks.

And as far as the KFC Kid goes, the time to trade the tub of lard was four years ago, it's not worth even discussing.

This is the type of intelligent debate we've come to love at this site

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Been watching on for four years how everyone has defended someone on $500000 a year who can't even turn up to pre-season with reasonable skin folds and how the fabric of the club would be destroyed if he was traded. He's guided us to 15th,10th,16th and probably 16th in that time, and now only the penny is starting to drop and people want to trade him, makes me laugh.

I saw Fisher on the weekend. His contested marking is outstanding, almost unique for a guy of his size. Mskes him a prick of a match-up when he's fit. The only thing that may have him "short" so far has been injuries. His kicking needs work but then again so did Stewart Loewe's early in his career. It can be worked on.

As for people wanting to trade Lance and Stevo, there's one more year on their contracts, big contratcs, so they're not going anywhere. Best using you're "keyboard energy" on some other Carlton matter.

I hope you're not referring to anyone in particular with a comment like that.

These trading scenarios are ridiculous and absolutely out of sync with reality. There won't be any 1st rounders offered for any of our players ... even Fev last year attracted laughable offers from richmond. For Whitnall at 25 we were offered the best case of Montagna plus pick 18 ... at 27 years old such a valuation is nowhere near as likely. We won't be getting 5 picks in the top 20 so talk of this is plain rubbish.

The media has effectively rendered trade week useless. No club has the balls now to be an active player and try to materially improve the list as every player over the age of 21 is labelled over the hill and recycled. Loading up on picks, waiting years for results and then realising certain players aren't up to it then trying again under the guise of 'rebuilding' keeps the pretenders of coaches like Clarkson, Thomas and Thompson in a job while the coaches who actually are seeking to win a flag are somehow seen as betraying the future of the club.

West Coast and Adelaide have shown you need to hold onto your early picks but also improve your list via trades and the rookie list whilst keeping an experienced player leadership group fit and healthy. Following the St Kilda and Hawthorn bottom out at all costs mentality only breeds medicority.

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Stevo's himself guided us to the bottom of the ladder? That funny! Thought it might have been the guy $700,000 a year in the coaching box. Thought Stevo played alright Sunday, with Lappin, one of few willing to run hard and link up hence that's why they actually touched the ball more than anyone else. They linked up so often when very few others would run hard. Another year on Stevo's contract to go, bad luck.

No, it's not worth discussing, you have no idea. You want to trade our few leaders, especially a guy this year who has been close to our best. Gee, that would be really helpful. Clueless.

Maybe this draft will prove to be over-rated and we could get best value by giving up a pick or two for some young but proven quality players from other clubs?

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