YEAH HE SHOULD!!!!!!!!

Thats the point mate... on this season's effort, Kouta is the KING of that group

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Yes simplistic. What constitutes a good game in your opinion? We need players that are prepared to put in 110% out on the field in order to be at the least, competitive. He barely raises a gallop and it has been this way for 5 seasons. Does not run, fails to chase, terrible disposal, lacks a voice and has shown no leadership whatosever.

If he loves the club as he claims, then the noble option for him would be to retire. He's taken the easy option and said, yeah, I can jog around, look dis-interested, get the odd hard ball get and pocket some cash in 2007.

Whereas, if he retired he'd be looked upon in a different light. If it's not for the money, then play for the love of the club, take 80k and show us how much the club really means to you. Even better, retire and let some young guys have an opportunity. Disgrace of a Captain!!!

We are the laughing stock of the all AFL clubs. Disregard what Wallace says in the press, behind closed doors, even that mob are having a hearty chuckle.

Was the love on holidays last week when we were a "rabble"?
Or does it only kick in at 300k?

Unfortunately No.1, Kouta hangs himself out to dry when he associates himself with Allison.
It's not about love, the club or the future.
With Allison it's all about $.

Guilty by consenting association.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

No1 relax mate. Do you realise you are arguing with most of the same people who want Carlton to lose. Why do you care what non-Carlton supporters think of Kouta?

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Now that he's playing there's not much we can do. he better not pull the bloody pin halfway through next year because 'my body just can't go on'. If he's in for the year he's in for the year. Hope there's a clause in the contract stating that if he pulls the pin early he only gets pro-rata payments.

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

No 1 I understand you're 20 and Kouta's been your hero since when...six, seven years old maybe?

I understand also that you loved watching him soar over packs, charge through the middle and do all the things that made him such a great player. I did too. There wasn't much better than to watch Kouta ripping sides apart back in 2000. Every football supporter in the country wanted him in their side.

Unfortunately that has nothing to do with this decision.

Our club is a mess at the moment and it's crying out for renewal. Allowing the most broken down and oldest player on the list to go around one more time is yet another example of the lack of vision being shown by the Carlton Football Club. And from the player's perspective it's a selfish decision made for financial reasons. His manager said exactly that on Sunday.

Unfortunately whether you like it or not Kouta has become something of an emblem of the self-interest that permeated the club post 1995. He's the last link to a time when the playing group was given their heads and told to go for it. That worked for a while because of the strength of character of the senior players at the time. Guys like Kernahan, Williams, Silvagni, Dean etc etc etc kept everybody in line.

Unfortunately as the years wore on and those guys retired the mantle was taken over by the younger players such as Kouta, Allan, Camporeale, Ratten and co and the results are evident for all. Unfortunately for us they weren't up to it. Whilst happy to take the big wages they weren't able to get the list to knuckle down in the way that had happened earlier. Sadly for us our playing group became more interested in what they were earning and less interested in what they were doing.

And then it all fell apart.

Kouta is a symbol of that decline and for the Carlton Football Club to re-sign him for one more year simply prolongs the agony for those who want to move on from that period and allow the club to return to building its greatness once again. To me Kouta and his mates lost their perspective on what's important in the game.


I recently spoke to a former board member of the club who told me a story about the way contract negotiations used to be handled back in the 70s and 80s with a player whom I consider to be one of the greatest of all Carlton players.

When the end of his contract came up Bruce Doull would be presented with a standard club contract. He would sign it.

The club official would then say "Bruce you haven't even looked at the figure!" and Bruce would reply "It's okay, I'm happy with whatever you think I'm worth".

I'm not suggesting that everyone should deal with their contract negotiations in the way that Bruce Doull did but I don't expect players to allow their agents to trash our club the way Kouta allows David Allison.

That's why when people ask about "club greats" I think of people like Bruce Doull not Anthony Koutoufides.

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sorry if it's been mentioned before but does anyone know if it is a performance-based contract?

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If we win great, however, the benfits of losing far outnumber the benfits of pinching the odd game at the end of the season, in todays climate.

Thats right!... With ALLISON its all about $$$..

I've said my bit and everyone here can just keep waffling on about how Kouta is a joke and how much they hate him....

Tell that to Essendon* fans who have had to put up with constant injuries from James Hird who plays for 600k plus... However they still appreciate the service he has given and i dont hear any Essendon* supporters saying he is being paid too much...

He will be earning much more than what Kouta will... (yes, i know Hirdy is a better footballer at this stage of his career than Kouta is atm,)

So You can keep these theories going about how much of a bloodsucker Kouta is...

Theres 2 sides to every story, with everybody... You may see the side of Kouta who wants to provide for his family and take it as if he is a greedy $ money hungry player... But I think you are all naive to think Kouta is the only footballer to go through contractual talks and money issues etc...

Extremely naive and stupid..

Only difference is Kouta has a loudmouth manager...

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Great post GWS, great post!

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There's so much I could say...

Thats gold mate..

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Without any doubt in my opinion this is one of the worsts decisions made by the club.Have they watched any of Kouta's last 20 games.

Whats his role on the field in 2007.

Which poor young guy will have to sit on the pine for long durations whilst Kouta lumbers after the pill.

He aint going to get better.

This decision defies belief .Seriously it does.If supporters think that Kouta playing another year is good for the club overall in 2007 then you dont know much about footy.

Sometimes the Blues shit me with some of their decisions.Thats simply an honest response to a decision that is stupid and has no eye for the immediate on field development of the club.

Pay that.

Ah well, its happened now so get over it? A 1-year contract deprives a kid of a chance but we're going to have at least 6 more kids come in to add to the 4 this year (plus highly likely to have 2 rookies make it)... from reading the announcement it looks like they think we'll be pretty young next year. I wouldn't have done it but its done now.

I wonder if they paid him an amount commensurate with the Club Poll? I think 35% of people said $300k beforfe the poll was pulled!

I also wonder whether the decision to keep one of our vets on was made with foresight that another would definitely be leaving?

Could not agree more well done GWS

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Lets just keep this is perspective......Next season Kouta is just another player on the list.... Once a star now just another player... And whether its right or wrong the market price is about right....

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kouta was just on SEN, just talked mainly about his decision to play on next year.

he said before he broke his hand he wanted to retire but felt fresher when he retunred from injury and had a talk with his family and denis and decided to play on next year also said that the 1.1mil a year was way off the mark.

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Gws brilliantly put.Kouta is a symbol of whats great and not great at this club.
why cant the flower that are the supposed experts at the club see what we can see.

And on the doormat.I remember his last season.He was fantastic at Full Back but had an average game in the Grand Final and had 6 kicked on him by Dunstall.5 years on that peformance wasnt too bad in hindsight considering how good chief had become.Yet Bruce walked off with dignity that day because he knew his time was up.And yet he still had more to play for in 1987 than Kouta 20 years on as a 5th premiership beckoned. Its not so much the money or [REDACTED] managers.Its about when you know your time is up.Doull knew there was a guy who played in the ressies that day that should of played in the seniors.That guy became the fullback of the century.So kouta plays on in 2007 stifling the development of Blackwell and Bentick or clogging up the forward line thus slowing the development of Fisher Waite and Kennedy. Its simply frustrating and a pissweak decision made by morons.

Gee, you'd swear there was a right and wrong in this argument.

Truth is, there's not and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Deal's done so we're all better off getting on with it.

And for what it's worth I don't think it'll matter one iota whether kouta plays many games next year or plays off the bench etc. He has a hell of a lot more to offer than a third of the list.

Now if they retain most of those blokes that'll set us back a hell of lot more than drafting kids and trying them out and that'll be when I'll be pissed orf.

Now, when's the Kouta commemorative dvd come out?

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This might sound extreme in the context of alleged sexual assault, drunken violence and a drug trafficking charge...

It said resigns didn't it
Surely OLD MAN EMU isn't going to keep a young pup out in the cold

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