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Not strategic enough...is reactive not proactive...is similar to Bomber Thompson (I watched a bit of him when he was Kangaroos Reserves coach)...

You're imagining him out at Cramer st where he belongs...sit back and imagine him at the front of the box at the 'G on a friday night in 2007 during a must win game against the Tigers...I envisage it would be like a deer in the headlights...c'mon - you've seen the Bullants - what sort of style would Barry bring across ?? That's right - the same style you see today!

Anyone remember that H&A game at the 'G in '98 or '99 against the Bombers when Bradley took himself off the ground in the 1st qtr? I was right near the interchange bench that day as he yelled at Wayne Brittain - "do you have any f*ng clue as to what you're doing up there?"


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Does Barry Mitchell have much input on match day?

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Not strategic enough...is reactive not proactive...is similar to Bomber Thompson (I watched a bit of him when he was Kangaroos Reserves coach)...

You're imagining him out at Cramer st where he belongs...sit back and imagine him at the front of the box at the 'G on a friday night in 2007 during a must win game against the Tigers...I envisage it would be like a deer in the headlights...c'mon - you've seen the Bullants - what sort of style would Barry bring across ?? That's right - the same style you see today!

Anyone remember that H&A game at the 'G in '98 or '99 against the Bombers when Bradley took himself off the ground in the 1st qtr? I was right near the interchange bench that day as he yelled at Wayne Brittain - "do you have any f*ng clue as to what you're doing up there?"


You make perfect sense, and I respect you because you're a doctor :wink:

It's amazing that when Rocket or Plough drag a kid (I was going to say 'pull off' but thought better of it) and give them a spray, everyone says it's all part of development and how great they are for teaching the kids, but DP does it and he's destoying the poor little possums self esteem :cry: .

I agree Doc, employees who know they're gawn often leave swingin' and try to justify their own career by slagging those who gave them the bullet. As I heard DP say once, there have only been 1 or 2 players accept their de-listing over 20 od years of coaching - the rest have blamed him and other coaches for their lack of ability.

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Terry Wallace has stated a number of times that if one of the younger richmond players makes a mistake coming out of defence they WILL NOT be dragged.

What happened to Jesse Smith when he cleared a ball from the centre square against Richmond? :garthp:

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Not strategic enough...is reactive not proactive...is similar to Bomber Thompson (I watched a bit of him when he was Kangaroos Reserves coach)...

He’s strategic & proactive enough to get the best possible performance out of his available group of players each week whilst at the same time developing the younger Carlton listed players in many different challenging but achievable playing roles.
He gets results!
I’d say that’s exactly the type of coach Carlton needs right now.
Go and ask Setanta what his thoughts on Mitch are.
Go and ask Simmo what his thoughts on Mitch are……………………….

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You're imagining him out at Cramer st where he belongs


By the tone of that comment you seem to have a personal issue with him that might be affecting your judgement of him :?:

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...sit back and imagine him at the front of the box at the 'G on a friday night in 2007 during a must win game against the Tigers...I envisage it would be like a deer in the headlights

and those ozlotto numbers were??

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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Not strategic enough...is reactive not proactive...is similar to Bomber Thompson (I watched a bit of him when he was Kangaroos Reserves coach)...

You're imagining him out at Cramer st where he belongs...sit back and imagine him at the front of the box at the 'G on a friday night in 2007 during a must win game against the Tigers...I envisage it would be like a deer in the headlights...c'mon - you've seen the Bullants - what sort of style would Barry bring across ?? That's right - the same style you see today!

Anyone remember that H&A game at the 'G in '98 or '99 against the Bombers when Bradley took himself off the ground in the 1st qtr? I was right near the interchange bench that day as he yelled at Wayne Brittain - "do you have any f*ng clue as to what you're doing up there?"


That's your opinion but I dont agree.

I've listened to Mitchell instructing the Bullants during games and he is concise, knowledgeable and lateral in his thinking.
I've watched him train his players many times and his drills are interesting for the players, challenging and match relevant.
He simulates flooded forward lines during training and encourages the players to use their initiative and choose options. It also teaches forwards to find space in congested situations.

Far more advanced on Denis' repeated smash ball nonsense.

Mitchell encourages the players to make tactical changes during games, think for themselves and take risks within the team rules.

If you want to look at a rabbit in headlights, look at Denis' response in 2004/5 everytime our opponents played loose men behind the ball instead of matching up on our loose players.
Or the inability to counter the zones acroos half back when the kickout rule was changed earlier this year.
Mark Williams was pissing himself laughing in the coaches box at Optus Oval in the practice match.

Mitchell would eat Pagan alive tactically.
He has failings but you have'nt identified any of them in your post.
If you're going to knock the guy, at least come up with something accurate :?

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"Hi Setanta...who's the best coach you've ever had?" :roll:

No personal issue with Barry Mitchell at - don't want him to lose his position - I think he's great for the Bullants and can assist the midfield group on matchday - good to have him there to encourage the younger guys like Simmo who have come through under his tuition and gone on to the next level...I just don't see him as senior coach material.

Then again - I watched the first episode of 'Friends' in 1994 and said "this is shit - it won't last one series"....so I readily admit I've been wrong before and I'm prepared to be wrong again.


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Josh Kaplan wrote:
Just spoke to a current player (soon to be delisted) .......


A fantastic (unbiased) source.

I expected him to say: "I'm about to be delisted, and I really deserve it because I'm a crap kick, have no heart, and no awareness on the field. I gotta admit, the coach gave me every chance, and after all everyone else seems to like him.... So yeah nah, I'm disappointed that they're delisting me, but ya know, something's gatta give, and the way forward is to get rid of hacks like me and go with draft picks."


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Just spoke to a current player (soon to be delisted) .......


A fantastic (unbiased) source.

I expected him to say: "I'm about to be delisted, and I really deserve it because I'm a crap kick, have no heart, and no awareness on the field. I gotta admit, the coach gave me every chance, and after all everyone else seems to like him.... So yeah nah, I'm disappointed that they're delisting me, but ya know, something's gatta give, and the way forward is to get rid of hacks like me and go with draft picks."


Would you rather he not tell us?
:?

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I've been critical of Mitch in the past, based on very limited experience of hearing a few of his 3/4 time addresses. I now realise that he is a much better coach than I thought. To me what we really lack is strategic and tactical originality. We seem to have no set plays, players don't appear to know what their team mates will do in given situations and our current game plan is crap. The current game plan of take it sideways and backwards until the opposition has had time to totally flood was apparently devised with lots of input from the assistants.

I don't know what Mitch's role is with the seniors , how much input he has on game day or in planning tactics. Maybe Mitch will be a great senior coach. People like BV are in a much better position to make that judgement than me, having observed him more closely. Maybe Pagan has lost the players as Josh suggests. Certainly there have been rumours to that effect for several years.

If Mitch took over the last two years of DPs contract for current salary then it might be a win for the club. But whatever happens the Board needs to get the right coach be it Pagan or whoever and then let them call the shots. We need new blood on the coaching panel, especially an original thinker but Pagan must be able to work with whoever we choose.

I was resigned to DP serving out his time. I actually reckon w have improved this year and are heading slowly in the right direction. If we sack him we need to be really sure about his replacement. This isn't about next year, but about the next year when we are good - 2009-10 etc.


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The Duke wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Not strategic enough...is reactive not proactive...is similar to Bomber Thompson (I watched a bit of him when he was Kangaroos Reserves coach)...

You're imagining him out at Cramer st where he belongs...sit back and imagine him at the front of the box at the 'G on a friday night in 2007 during a must win game against the Tigers...I envisage it would be like a deer in the headlights...c'mon - you've seen the Bullants - what sort of style would Barry bring across ?? That's right - the same style you see today!

Anyone remember that H&A game at the 'G in '98 or '99 against the Bombers when Bradley took himself off the ground in the 1st qtr? I was right near the interchange bench that day as he yelled at Wayne Brittain - "do you have any f*ng clue as to what you're doing up there?"


You make perfect sense, and I respect you because you're a doctor :wink:

It's amazing that when Rocket or Plough drag a kid (I was going to say 'pull off' but thought better of it) and give them a spray, everyone says it's all part of development and how great they are for teaching the kids, but DP does it and he's destoying the poor little possums self esteem :cry: .
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The difference is DP leaves them on the bench and they end up playing for 12min for the whole game.


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Who cares what Pagan will be saying? $38.50 is great for two courses AND beer!


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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Then again - I watched the first episode of 'Friends' in 1994 and said "this is shit - it won't last one series"....


I don't think you are wrong there Dr. That has to be one of the shittest comedies/shows ever made.


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Obviously you've never eaten at Princes Park Verbs. :wink:

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Obviously you've never eaten at Princes Park Verbs. :wink:


Given beer is included in the price, I'm sure the food can't be any worse than a greasy kebab.


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Blue Vain wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
Just spoke to a current player (soon to be delisted) .......


A fantastic (unbiased) source.

I expected him to say: "I'm about to be delisted, and I really deserve it because I'm a crap kick, have no heart, and no awareness on the field. I gotta admit, the coach gave me every chance, and after all everyone else seems to like him.... So yeah nah, I'm disappointed that they're delisting me, but ya know, something's gatta give, and the way forward is to get rid of hacks like me and go with draft picks."


Would you rather he not tell us?
:?


No actually. I'm glad he told us. I was having a (albeit unfunny as it turns out) chuckle at his expense.

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Can you dislike someone but still respect them?


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kennyhunter wrote:
Can you dislike someone but still respect them?


Sure, thats how I feel about John Eldrigde.

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