Fair enough.



Ahhh I get it. So we need to put crap players on the market to bring in good ones.

I'll give Woosher a call and see just which pick he'll package in with Kerr to sweeten the deal for Ian Prendergast.

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Congratulations CK95

All this talk of genitalia me thinks you are Queer. Coming out of the closet are you??
By the way i watched my 1st game in 1976

... and you still don't know your arse from your elbow.

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Ok put your money where your mouth is BH.
Your Mr Hughes what trade would you do for stevens.

I'll look at it and reply, be realistic!!

you gotta worry about people with under 100 posts and already a warning

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There you go again talking about bottoms!!
I'm finished playing with you pal, get back in the zoo.

You were playing with me?

You da man!

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Your favourite animal in the Zoo, Deano?

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Don't worry about it Deano, he is obviously still pissed off about being dropped for the 1995 Grand Final.

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Draft the Cougar?!?!? Didn't we already give a 4th rounder to West Coast for him?

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Kicked 4 in 97 and walso won a flag

But i'll pay that

The teeth monster.

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interesting.... I always picked you as a COUGAR man

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That is THE COUGAR

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We've only won 24 in 5 years let alone 30!!!!! 5 years ago Ratten etc ..were still playing for us. Sadly 3 is the best we can do, which, as you said, doesn't tell us too much.

Sad but true.

There are such a ridiculous amount of combinations and permutations that make this an exercise in futility, and I'm pretty certain Mr Hughes knows a lot more about 'what is realistic' than I do.

And I'm no Mojo when it comes to what may/should be around at different draft areas.

To keep you interested in playing with Deano and I in this thread, off the top of my head I'd consider...

Rivers and Melbourne's 2nd rounder, after pushing for their first and unless Neale goes mental, not getting it.

Getting collingwood's 1st rounder and a young ruck prospect via a 3 way from another club (collingwood have no one that interests me, but a tarrant off to SA and a young ruck prospect like Meeson for example might be possible)

Gilbee and a 2nd rounder from the Bullies

or perhaps most likely

Stevens to North for their 1st rounder, Wells, Swallow and Harris (hey, it's north)

So look, these are just to keep you amused for a while. I have no idea exactly how different clubs value their players, or where their football departments perceive their biggest deficiences. I'm one of KK's keyboard warriors.

But I'll be buggered if I won't entertain ways to get us to the top of a ladder in 8 years rather than remain consistently between rungs 6 and 12 for the next 15.

This goes for other players too. Stevens is just one that I really think can drum up interest from clubs - particularly those looking for more midfield rotations to have a crack at a flag in the next 2-4 years. That is definitely not our timeframe.

We can't lose by seeing what other clubs are prepared to give. He's contracted, of some value, and if we don't like the deal we don't have to do it. To flatly say he is a good player and you don't trade good players is one of the many reasons we're lagging behind. It's head in the sand stuff.

I have a stationwagon.

If someone needs a new stationwagon desperately and offers me a sportscar for it, because they can't fit a child seat in the back of it - and I like the sportscar - why wouldn't I consider it? Or do I just say "I have a good car. Bugger off".

I get what i want, and he gets what he wants. That's what trades are about, and you back yourself to get that bit extra out of it.

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Congratulations CK95

I've seen it.
It has a "I hate Nick Stevens" bumper sticker!

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Nah it says Triple M ROCKS Trade Week

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Congratulations CK95

You want to trade Stevens then do it for value.

Ask for pick 10 from the Pies or pick 12 or is it 11 ? from the Saints.

Both need class in the midfield. Both might think they are not far off a serious tilt at winning it. For me the Pies are not close enough and it would be silly but you never know. Saints with Hayes back and the injection of Stevens would go pretty close next year with a reasonable run with injuries.

Those picks fall smack bang in the section where a quality runner will be available.

Gibbs, Leunberger, Thorp, Sellar, Gumby and Hansen are gone already (you would think) and then runners like Proud/Jetta/Collard and Selwood come into the picture. Throw Riewoldt in and you look at pick 10 to 12 and can see you either get a very good midiflelder or get "lucky" and do even better with a tall dropping through inexplicible.

You get a pick at 15 to 20 and we start to enter an area of a lot of ? about who is left and what to do. 10 to 12 players in the draft who are top 5 most other years.

After that its Connors, Brock, Schmidt, Benjamin and others who are very good prospects but not as good as the others before . I think we can get 1 of those at 17.

But doubt very much we will get the speed/flair/skill of Proud/Jetta/Collard or class of Selwood at 17.

Those 4 will play right away (if Selwood's knee is passed fit before the draft). Jetta is short but is not skinny. Collard is bigger than Murphy. Proud is Murphy + 5 kgs and Selwood is 6 foot 1 and 80kgs (at least).

It wont be a 5 year wait on those players.

So to me is you want to trade Stevens then you would do it for that. Midfielder for midfielder in the draft and pout yourself in a spot where you cant miss one of those 4 or get lucky with someone else dropping through (like a Thorp or Sellar etc - very unlikely as it is).

One of those players on the half forward flank kicking a few goals and slowly pushing into the midfield and changing with Murphy would brighten up the brand a bit. Give us some genuine silk in the forward line and create a few goals with precise kicking and goal sense and an ability to take players on.

Selwood is different than the other 3 and is more like Murphy and is a Luke Ball clone in style. Which we can also use and give us a feeder to our few good delivers of the ball in Murphy/Scotland and Kade (assuming we traded Stevens). All 4 would help our run and class a greta deal and generate some excitement in games.

We can pick up more blue collar workwers at 17/19 and 35. Players with less scope to improve and maybe a bit more developed but not quite the level of class and skill.

Players like Hislop/Petterd/Armitage/Boak/Moss/Urquhart etc.

and hope that the "in between" level of Brock/Schmidt/Connors etc slides through to 17.

Which is why I am extremely pissed off that the AFL changed the qualificaiton criteria this year for the Priority Pick?


We should be fighting "tooth and nail" either for:

- re-instating of our 2002 Priority Pick

- or the injustice that our 2005 season counts for nothing when calculating the qualification for a Priority Pick.

It really is pissing me off - that our Priority Pick at 17 this year will be for a player that has ??? marks over them.

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