What about Kouta, Campo, Lappin, Fisher, Whitnall etc.? It's happening with every player out of contract.

Agro I played juniors with a kid who won 3 best and fairests on the back of his old man's votes. He was in our best 6 but no way was he our number 1.

another wolfister 1 %er???

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Look out the draft masters are coming. BTW that's Hawthorn. You know the club. The club that managed to STOOGE others in giving up far too much for Hay, Thompson, Rawlings(?). In fact given their track record is such that we should just hand him over for nought.

No it won't be that f***** easy for the dawks to snag him. You play hard ball. Pick 6 or no deal. Don't think about the pre season draft either - too many clubs before Hawthorn who can obtain the prized TBird.

$300k -TBird is starting to head towards the elite with that demand. Is he elite?

Parkin is a yesterday man who made yesterday decisions and has left our club in yesteryear.

Parkin not a Hawthorn man.

David Parkin, 2006, "I like most other Hawthorn people were unsure about his capacity in a sense and the professional competencies he might have brought to the job and what I call his personal attributes."
http://hawthornfc.com.au/default.asp?pg ... eid=264175

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Calm down gang. Talk about over-reacting.

We blame the media for printing rubbish about Carlton all year and say how pathetic and full of shit they are, then we act like they've got a hot line to T-Birds house with The Age article.

And even if it is true, we have the upper hand. T-Bird can't go anywhere unless he's traded and we have to agree to the trade. Otherwise we just re-draft him in the psd...all we'll probably miss out on is another Dylan McLaren type.

The only down side is we'll have to pay him what he wants, which is what everyone on this site is saying we should do anyway. It's win/win for Carlton, and anyone who says it's bad for club morale...please .. we're all big boys. Players and managers try to get as much as they can, clubs should try to get a good deal from their side.

One more thing, the two articles that have appeared on the Carlton web site the other day and today...the one saying Carlton won't be put off drafting Gibbs if we want to and the article today saying Carlton are keen on T-Bird are a good sign. Good positive communication from club to supporters.

Don't get me wrong i've been as criticle as anyone about the recent handling of the Pagan situation, but credit where credits due, the articles on the web site and playing hard on contracts (especially in T-Birds case where we have the upper hand) is good business.

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The journo who wrote that article was full of crap. The numbers quoted were ridiculous. $150K per year? Bull****!!!! How can you believe anything else he wrote when he so obviously and willfully got this wrong?

The disappointing thing about this whole saga though is the fact that we, as the bottom placed club with first pick in the PSD, are are having other clubs trying to poach our players. It should be the other way around (and hopefully is). We should be talking to out of contract players at other clubs and using our 1st pick in the PSD as leverage to get players. Play this game the Hawks are playing. Offering them a better contract and either bring them over or get their club to pay more than what they hoped to. This should not be happening to us.

I do hope the club is playing this game and it is simply that we have not heard anything in the media. The other scenario is that the board and club is so distracted at the moment they have forgotten to do this.

great idea i'd do it but i havent got enough room in my siggy (because of the difrent colours).

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True!
You're too good for me again Jars!

I knew we couldnt trust him to make an honest informed decision.
He's a hawthorn person.

Now you mention it, I also remember Denis Pagan once saying he was a North Melbourne person.
It all makes sense now hey?
He cant be trusted to be honest and care about Carlton.
Lets sack him Jars!!!!!
Well done, good idea!

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Base figure is 150K plus match payments - this was quoted in the article.

Selective journalism, but Thornton deserves more than that.

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That's right.

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If Thornton was in a top 8 side he would have been dropped after the first few rounds this year and had to really struggle to fight his way back into the side.

He had a poor first half of the season and a good second half.

He is not worth the reported 325K Hawthorn is throwing at him.

Hawthorn might be entering 'stage 2' of their rebuilding program which involves paying over the odds for established players.

Lets see what they have to offer, we might be pleasantly surprised, if not the club signs Thornton up to a reasonable contract after trade week. Easy.

Nothing to sweat and panic about.

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Agree. This article is intentionally misleading to continue the "Carlton is a rabble" story. I am doubtful the situation is as bad as it implies.

My concern is why we are not using our position to do the same. It is generally accepted we are very short in rucking stocks. Given this, I would be willing to see the club offer a bigger contract for a young up and coming ruckmen from another club who is out of contract. As Hawthorn are doing to build their perceived weakness in backmen. Are we out their in the marketplace aggressivley pursuing players that will fix some serious weaknesses on our list? I don't see it. Who have we picked up in the last few years that has been a good addition to the list? Stevens. But I wouldn't credit the board with that. Who else? I can't think of anyone. This year we have first pick of any uncontracted player who wants to leave their club. Look at the position we are in with that. We can entice a player in dispute with a good contract and say to the club either you deal with us and take what is on offer or you let him go and we get him in the PSD. Why can't we play this game? Is it because the board is not doing it? Is it because players look at our current situation and think "no way am I going to that rabble". We did nothing last year. Only had other clubs once again trying to poach our players. The trade period for this year has not even begun so the fact we haven't heard anything is not the be all and end all. But, I will be disappointed if we are simply going for the draft and not looking at poaching other players and pissing of other clubs and pressuring their cap like is being done to us (except the pressuring the cap part, we have no worries there).

We could also pick up another Kris Massie and Luke Livingston,this is Carlton we are talking about,great high draft picks champions

He is also a white man and an Australian .......at the same time...

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I can't see us throwing pick 6 at you guys for him.

I rate the guy and would throw everything else (pick-wise and maybe a Young or Little) to get him, but to lose pick 6 would be against everything else we've done in this rebuild to date. There'd be nearly as much outcry at our end at losing pick six in the "super draft" as there would be at your end if you were to lose a young KPP while allegedly having a "youth policy".

You'd have to find the money and re-sign him, surely.

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http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=300771

Quick to douse speculation but yet no announcement on Eddie re-signing.

Has he re-signed or have we been given a bum steer?

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Just the Carlton public relations machine hard at work...

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Without any doubt, Thornbird is a priority ……. And don’t call us Shirly!!

It’s always an exciting period come end of season …. Management of lists, players out of contract ….. delistings …. “unwarrantedâ€

I can't think of a single player that has left CFC in the past four years (Pagan's period of list management) and gone on to bigger and better things.

Massie maybe?

I might be a dreamer (but I'm not the only one), but I'm of the opinion that our football department has a bloody good eye for talent on our list. As in, whether we've squeezed the best out of our players and don't mind if they move on kind of thing

Of course the hilarious rebuttal to this is that our list has been so shit that no-one's been any good anyway - bwahahaha. That's so funny

What's not funny is the same football department is pretty rank at bringing in experienced players. Can't win 'em all, I guess

Yeah nah, if Thornton (or any other uncontracted player) leaves, it'll be with the blessing of the footy department - and I trust their assessment of our list.

Can't believe I'm saying that

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What's so funny? Ain't that the truth of the situation we're in?

It's not who leaves...they're gone...it's who we have left.

Truth is that we had two decent picks in the draft in the 10 years before Walker was picked. One of them has left and the other is Luke Livingstone. Our list is shit for that reason.

A good side needs to be built around a core of top 20 picks. That's where the quality comes from. There'll be a few diamonds in the latter picks but from now on most of the 200 gamers will come from the top 20 in the draft.


It'll soon be our turn. Our list is shit because we've been relying on the diamonds in the rough. The quality levels will start to rise in a couple of years.

I love what Brett Thornton has done for Carlton. I hope he stays.