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Rotating captains.

You cant give it to anyone... (id give it to Fev for a year or two seeing he understands he is caretaker).. i definitely wouldnt give it to Lance... He doesnt even have a real position on the ground.

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Rotating captains.


I know lots of people don't like this because of the St Kilda connection. But I agree it's the way to go.

It means we can choose one of the youngsters (like Simpson) in the knowledge that it's only for a year. And it helps develop the club in an area where we're clearly deficient.

Also we don't really have any suitable options anyway, among the more senior players.

You can always revert to a more traditional structure, once you've got some good long-term options.


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Fevola is our gun player but he is a joker and shouldn't be made captain. I'd give it to Stevo who has been consistent over 3 years.

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That said, i don't think he's captaincy material. He's still prone to the odd sulk on field


So's Hird, Buckley, and Bell, to name a few "stars"...


Incorrect ...

Hird, Buckly and Bell may get frustrated and react ... however Fev's sulks are Richo like...childish and a bad look to say the least.

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If it's about consistency, what other player in the league has kicked over 260 goals in 4 seasons, playing for a team that finished 15th, 10th, 16th, and 16th?????

If it's about flying the flag, what other player has consistently stood up to bullying of our younger players on the ground?

If it's about inspirational, what other player has CONSISTENTLY kicked match winning goals from impossible positions (tight angles, outside 55, running away, etc) in tight pressure situations?

If it's about footy ability, he's the best player at Carlton BY A MILE.

If it's about popularity, who's the guy that both other players AND fans AND kids AND journos all flock about?

If it's about character, what other player gave up the booze to support his wife and enhance his footy?

If it's about media, ...... goes without saying!!!!!


THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE WHO COMES CLOSE TO FEV FOR THE CAPTAINCY!!! I CAN'T SEE WHY IT"S EVEN A QUESTION!!!


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i would not make fev captain as he has had 1 good year, in which lost his cool on more than 1 occassion... as a captain you need to be a leader and someone that the rest of the players can look up to. if he drops his head which he has been prone to doing in the past then what message will that give to the rest of the team.

Stevo is soft...you need a player who can get the ball for themselves instead of being intimidated whenever they go near the ball or get the ball passed to them.

Rotating captain means that players, younger ones in particular, have no-one to look up to on and off the field

i think that lance is the only option as he goes about his footy in the right manner. he plays out of position and has such an understanding of the game that he can beat a bigger player.

we are still a few years away from any of the younger players being able to do it so in im opinion the best option is lance.


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Doesn't Fev want Den Den's contract to be extended???

Doesn't he talk to his teammates???

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fev could talk the leg off a chair for all i care..it doesnt mean that he will be a good captian


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1 year too early IMO.


This thread is about Fev, not Murph. :wink:

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The one good season in five argument that is used against Fev also should disqualify Lance, lets just pick the best candidate right now, he may not be perfect but I think this is Fev

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I'd like to see something more than a lot of bubbly publicity. The captain needs to put in 100% all the time and Fev has not yet reached that level - the same might also be said of Stevens.

To me the only ones in the current leadership group who fit the bill are Whitnall and Simpson.

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pgm87 wrote:
i would not make fev captain as he has had 1 good year, in which lost his cool on more than 1 occassion... as a captain you need to be a leader and someone that the rest of the players can look up to. if he drops his head which he has been prone to doing in the past then what message will that give to the rest of the team.

Stevo is soft...you need a player who can get the ball for themselves instead of being intimidated whenever they go near the ball or get the ball passed to them.

Rotating captain means that players, younger ones in particular, have no-one to look up to on and off the field

i think that lance is the only option as he goes about his footy in the right manner. he plays out of position and has such an understanding of the game that he can beat a bigger player.

we are still a few years away from any of the younger players being able to do it so in im opinion the best option is lance.


Hear hear Moshe,

Fev is the best candidate by a county mile.

One semi sulk this year (big deal!), our only true marquee player (at this stage), idolised by the younger players and a complete magnet for the media and footy public at large. What better way to propel this club forward? And like we don't need it!!

The guy is your classic larrikin but so what. Larrikins don't make good leaders???

And for this nonsense about 'one all round good year is not good enough, I want to see more evidence of Fev's maturity' crap. Maybe a valid argument if we had a wide choice of potential captains, but we don't.

Lance is not the answer, his physical shortcomings are as great as Fev's mental ones, his longevity in the game looks limited and he has zero marketing/media ability/potential.

IMO this decision is a no brainer, choosing Fev is EXACTLY what the clubs needs to do given the recent crap and impending off field changes.

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jenx wrote:
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i think that lance is the only option as he goes about his footy in the right manner.
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would that include preparing his body so that he can "go about his footy in the right manner"?

Lances biggest physical shortcoming is his mobility which has a direct correlation with his weight. Show me the Lance in the physical shape he was for the 2005 Wizzer Cup for a footy full season and I may alter my view.

If Fev can get off the piss for a year, what will Lance sacrifice?


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If it's about consistency, what other player in the league has kicked over 260 goals in 4 seasons, playing for a team that finished 15th, 10th, 16th, and 16th?????

If it's about flying the flag, what other player has consistently stood up to bullying of our younger players on the ground?

If it's about inspirational, what other player has CONSISTENTLY kicked match winning goals from impossible positions (tight angles, outside 55, running away, etc) in tight pressure situations?

If it's about footy ability, he's the best player at Carlton BY A MILE.

If it's about popularity, who's the guy that both other players AND fans AND kids AND journos all flock about?

If it's about character, what other player gave up the booze to support his wife and enhance his footy?

If it's about media, ...... goes without saying!!!!!



No argument from me on those points, he has been my favorite player by a mile for 3 years but he's still a clown.

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i can just imagine how fev would have convinced t-bird to stay at the club. it would have gone something like "you go to hawthorn and not only will i kick 10 goals on you the next time we play i'll knock your head off while i'm at it." :wink: that would be enough to make most fullbacks stay at their club.

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Lances biggest physical shortcoming is his mobility which has a direct correlation with his weight. Show me the Lance in the physical shape he was for the 2005 Wizzer Cup for a footy full season and I may alter my view.
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Someone stole my tyres.....does that imply that Lance will be captain?

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Surprised nobody has suggested it but how about we have both Fev and Lance as co-captains??

This is the perfect solution IMO coz there's no obvious standout.... sad as that is :( ... besides the captaincy role is only an interim position right now anyway!

Having two co-captains (or even 3- Stevens) will make the handover easier when we give it to Murphy in 2 years time 8) 8)

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Fev will never be captain, he's just not the type. Not mature enough.


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