If the club does monitor it, all the more reason for us to be brutally honest in our assessment of where the club's at.

It's not as if the board members ever get to sit in the outer and find out first-hand what their constituency thinks of the club.

What are you talking about... the climate is the same...Kangas are being pushed North and roll over everytime the AFL tell them too...Geoff Walsh hasnt bailed from North and taken a demotion at Collingwood for nothing... and we are in semi receivership with the AFL running the club and they have us by the gonads...get the Navy Blue Glasses off and wake up.
What did Fitzroy do.....rattle tins, sell their players?

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The trouble with the internet (as opposed to a BBQ) is it goes round and round and round and round an on and on and on and on, forever...which in the end achieves very little apart from people jerking off to the sound of their own voice.

With over 5000 posts you have been giving yourself a fair workout....

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I wasn't apportioning blame to anyone.

ZING

Criticising board action or inaction is a right of every member, probably even a duty. Agitating for change is part of being a stakeholder which is what members are.

Denigrating Carlton the club and personal abuse of club officials who are doind their best, (even if it isnt good enough) is a completely diffreent scenario. All it does is create a further negative image for the club then it already has. You cant move forward as a club with factions and divisions which is what is happening at the moment.

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People are losing sight of Jarusa's hypothesis that the climate surrounding this website, and the alarming number of people who have chosen to cease posting here, can be validly assumed to be having the same impact on Carlton.

And anyone who claims this website is merely a vehicle for debate and discussion is either a) ignoring 95% of what's being written or b) has their head in the sand.

If Fitzroy had have received some of the money Nth, etc recieve they'd still be running around. We may complain about the AFL influence in Carlton but at least we are still here, still Carlton

FDitroy tried many things ,including the Board and some members risking much money on the pub and other ventures and to this day due to the hard work of the board and of the supporters it may still exist in its true form except that a heap of votes went missing and no one seems to know what happened to them. the bloke they should have been delivered to still has no idea what happened but that vote would have kept the club going rather than seeing it fold.

Its so easy for you to say 'rattle some tins' but their supporters worked their arses off but they were working against the wishes of the AFL and they died. Even when they found a way (via Nth) of keeping themselves at their home, they lost. They were given no choices and minimal help.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I'm one of the posters in the Crosisca thread that's bemoaning the excessive negativity in TC.

This thread is starting to turn into an argument whether posters should be allowed to post negative posts.

That isnt the issue at all!!

People are entitled to post their opinion - negative or otherwise. I'm a strong believer in that! If anything I've been far more negative than positive in my 3 years on these forums. If you could be stuffed searching, have a look at my past pro-tanking, anti-Whitnall etc posts.

I love a good rant as much as anyone here!!

So why am I complaining about the negativity? It's not so much the negativity itself. Negative or, as Synbad put it, "critical" posts are an absolute necessity as far as I'm concerned.

I reckon Synbad's critical posts are compelling reads. I find myself agreeing with most of the things he says. He's an intelligent, pragmatic and insightful poster AFAIC.

I would rate Synbad in my Top 3 posters on this site. Without some of his posts I would be left none the wiser with what's happening inside the club.

Negativity's fine as long as they are "critical posts" (ie. constructive criticism).

However....

it's when that negativity becomes all-encompassing, and is repeated again and again in multiple threads everyday it is no longer a "critical post" ... it becomes a "bitching and moaning" post....

I'm sure Synbad doesn't mean it to come out as a bitch and moan... he's obviously doing this to make sure we can form our own informed, educated opinion... the problem I have is with the volume of these posts (not just Synbad).... at the start it's great because you gain something from these posts.... but it's when it starts to get repetitive, even in threads where there is justified cause to find positives, that it becomes too much. There's only so much bitching and moaning one can take.

Just as much as i hate being bombarded with positivity for the sake of being positive, I hate being bombarded with negativity just for the sake of being negative.

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YARRAN!!





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I get the gist of what jarusa's saying re the 'negative' posts affecting the site itself, & obviously it has turned some long term posters off involving themselves in football discussion (see Bluebernz' comments in the Crossisca thread)

Personally though I think the distinction between the effect on TC and the effect on memberships/the football club itself have become a bit blurred in this discussion...

Verbs if people have ceased posting here it wouldn't be because of the negativity towards the club and the board. It would be due to the fact there is a fair bit of eliteness that goes on around here and various posters can either be ignored or ridiculed for their points of view if it doesn't fall in to line with theirs .

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It may be worth finding out who has left and why they left. Who has left?

As has been said, not everything is black and white.

I know EB left

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Mojo

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Bomber-now-Blue

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

King Juan Carlos of Spain

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Ich bein ein Carltonian

I've thought about leaving.........!


kindest regards tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

Totally agree, just logged on again after a few hours away and have been pleasantly surprised. It has really cheered me up reading some of the thoughtful expressions in this thread.

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This a much more eloquent way of saying what I was trying to say. Thanks bluebernz.

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