i did 1984 for English Lit and if i remeber rightly Bigbrother won the rating everyday, not like the drivel CH10 push on US.

long live doublespeak...

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It does sound good but it is a little edgy for mine.

I only rate Walker to definitely close down his opponent of those three matchups.

Bring on Hansen!

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From a while back, but since no-one's claimed it yet...

the past can be controlled - its called politics.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The past can be ''controlled'' when history is rewritten and distorted by those in power in order to further their own agenda.

I think you guys need to start a new post. This has a small vague connection to Lance being captain.


Oh and by the way very few people change.

No Synbad that's not what Hack, or George Orwell meant. You should read the book it's very interesting. Especially in our current climate.

The quote is saying that the past can be controlled, because the things that link us to the past can be controlled. Literature, relics, even memories can be controller, and thus so can the past.

All humour aside Hackenschmidt- if that's what you call it - I think Synbad's point is totally valid. Why should someone be HANDED the captaincy of the most decorated AFL club in existence because others are deemed to young, or in Fev's case, slightly inapropriate. Why do people continually congratulate Lance for maintaining his weight? What other players in his alleged price bracket struggle to maintain their fitness and are given a pat on the back for doing so? He's a proffessional athlete and has admitted to struggling with a diet, not some congenital defect! Why do all CHF/CHB's look so physically imposing and athletic, when dear old Lance struggles to get the slightest bit of definition, anywhere. He rode 64km's on one day, big bloody whoop, was that in hilly terrain or was that on a recumbent bike? It's so frustrating when we congratulate mediocrity. Did you hear Tex bragging about doing a half marathon in the papers? I do believe Lance had a reasonably good season, but I'm not about to blow smoke up his arse for doing the bare minumum, especially when he's such a high profile person eager to get the captancy. Give it to someone that does all the right things at training, helps the youngsters out by taking them under his wing, and has valuable input on the field.

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Now that's quite a compelling argument, based on what was witnessed by you.

I consider your idea of Whitnall off the bench for a rest not a bad idea. I was hoping he would be on the forwardline.

Setanta or Waite on Franklin is the right way to go...and as for Williams, I would have Russell or Carrazzo on him.

Yeah... I'm not convinced that Whitnall should be captain, and sadly we are limited for options...perhaps Stevens then...although I believe Fevola would have been the natural choice. I can't see Lappin, Scotland as captains, and Kouta shouldn't be...that's done a dusted. Lets move forward.

Nevertheless, Whitnall is a leader and should be in the leadership group and playing in the forwardline to help the team and Kennedy with his apprenticeship.

My money is on Whitnall for captain...it just seems that that's the way it's panning out.



The point here is that it is not Whitnall the one who chooses who to play on, it's Pagan. So if it aint working, then this implies that the caoches tactic has deficiencies and proned to failure.

We should be playing to our strengths, and I don't like the idea of players running off our defenders and leading them a merry dance. The Whitnall experiment should be stopped in 2007, and he should be made to be accountable in the forwardline where I believe he will earn more respect from opposition coaches, and then Lance can call the shots as the marked man.

atm, I'm leaning towards Stevens as the captain.

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I understand where you are coming from, bondiblue. It is very difficult to choose a captain...

In regards to another match i re-watched on the weekend.

Carlton vs Melbourne - 2nd half of season - round 18 or 19?


In this match Whitnall was matched up against Ben Holland.


No disrespect to Ben Hollands but i had a look at his goal kicking tally for season 2006 - his tally was 1 goal.


Meanwhile - other carlton players get the jobs on the real forwards - their season goal kicking tallies are: -sylvia, 10 goals, yze 30 goals, bruce 21 goals, robertson 40 plus ? goals, and of course Neitz 60 whatever goals.


So the idea is that Whitnall takes the weakest forward and is a link man.


This isn't rocket science. Only problem is that after a while Daniher wasn't so generous to Whitnall and put Godfrey in the forward line. By no means a A plus forward - but Lance struggled against him.



So this means that Lance can not be given the job on A-grade forwards such as Neitz - can you imagine Lance keeping up with Neitz?


Re: linkmen... in this match Walker should have been the backline linkman... he created far more run AND can control an a-grade forward - such as Robertson in this match. Whitnall cannot do both. It works fine when he is on a c-grade forward - but not an a or b grade forward.

Tap, Holland spent a significant chunk of the season in defence.

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And I can understand why he did spend little time in attack too. There was one moment in the first quarter ?or second? when Whitnall left Holland alone about 30 metres out on a slight angle. Simple mark but Holland missed a sitter of a goal.

In this match - for some reason - Daniher put Holland in attack. It didn't work.

Further proof that Holland was the sixth best forward in Melbourne's attack on that day.

Yep and Whitnall was given the soft opponent to be a defensive playmaker.

I was just establishing the reason behind Holland's poor season total. Probably should have said as much.

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I would just like to see a reliable plan-b with Whitnall in 2007.


The idea that he takes on the weakest forward, or second weakest, so that he has room to direct traffic is not feasible in the long term.

Of course the opposition coach is going to swing their forward line around to give Whitnall a better opponent. I think Whitnall should swing between forward line and defence more often and also spend time on the bench -due to his endurance deficiencies.


bench time in this match -? about 5 minutes in the last quarter.

time on the forward line ? - about 10 minutes

time on the backline? - rest of the match


i would have had it -

bench time - at least 15-20 minutes.

time on forward line - at least 20 minutes.

time on backline - less time.

That is cool. I understand where you were coming from.

What do you mean ''all humour aside'', wasthesonofapreacherman (if that really is your name) ?
Synbad and I were having a serious intellectual discussion about a great work of literature and its relevant theme of how the past can be ''controlled'' by those who have total control of the means of communication.

Nearly all the citizens of Oceania believed that Oceania had never had an alliance with Eurasia, even though it did have an alliance within the previous 4 years.

When Brendan Fevola crashed into Lance Whitnall at Telstra Dome v Melbourne half way through 2002, inflicting a season ending shoulder injury upon him, Whitnall was in superb form and on target to win the best and fairest. Yet mainstream opinion would have us believe that Whitnall has, since 2000, in the words of Synbad, ''been as useless as tits on a bull.''

Another relatively high placing in the best and fairest of 2003 after missing a big chunk of the season with a knee injury, shows that back to back best and fairests would have been highly possible for Lance in 02/03 with a bit of luck with injury.

2004 was easily Lance's worst year as he battled chronic knee and foot injuries.

So overall, 1997 - remarkable for a 17 year old

1998 - outstanding

1999 - very good

2000 - outstanding

2001 - very good

2002 - shoulder injury cost him B and F

2003 - knee injury may have cost him B and F

2004 - worst season ever

2005 - 3rd in best and fairest

2006 - best and fairest

By my calculations, that makes 9 out of 10 good seasons.

Tits on a bull ? Very useful tits if you ask me.
Fully functional, lactating tits.

wasthesonofapreacherman, I'm not asking you to blow smoke up Lance's arse. I'm not asking you to blow smoke up anyone's arse.
All I'm asking is that you take your football and literature more seriously , and that you acknowledge that if Lance were ''tits on a bull'', he would be a fairly useful set of tits with his superb play reading ability. And please refrain from cracking any jokes about Lance having manboobs in response to the ''tits on a bull'' simile.

If youre into bulls then tits might be useful....


That list looks impressive... but it means jack shit for what we need right now.

LEADERSHIP!!!.... from a person that understands what a winner is and what is needed to be a winner... the hard work thats required to extract every last ounce of ability gifted to you....a man that has a real position in the side.. and is a frontliner...a man that doesnt spend pre season on a bike aged 27 trying to keep his body together.. and his weight down...

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Boring same same point we've read over and over again in this thread.

So he's fat, lazy, broken down, poor attitude, over-paid, linkman, not a frontliner. Who gives a toss. He was still apparently the best we had last year and that scares the life out of most supporters I'm sure.

We don't have anyone suitable at the moment so it doesn't matter who is selected for next year. Nor do I believe it will make the team play any better or worse because someone is made captain.

Whoever gets the job will only be warming the seat for a maximum of 2 years at anyway.

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