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Word is the new boys had to guarantee they could raise a certain amount of money to get on the board.

Great selection process. Got a few mill? Okay, you're in ... :lol:

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Well apparently that's all that is needed to impress around here, Kenny.

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BV, are you seriously saying this would be possible.

New Ticket: "Hi Everyone, we have $8M but I'm afraid we have no plan at all, we would love your vote"
BV: "You've got mine!"

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Word is the new boys had to guarantee they could raise a certain amount of money to get on the board.

Great selection process. Got a few mill? Okay, you're in ... :lol:


very worrying!

I'm with those who want a spill of the board. Let them be voted in rather than invited in by a half wit president who is less than convincing in anything he does. And I'd like to see a powerpoint presentation too :lol:

Just a question for those that know, in order for us to vote at the AGM, do we need to have a renewed 2007 membership to do so? If so, everyone who feels passionate about this needs to make sure you have your membership paid up to have a say.

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BV, are you seriously saying this would be possible.

New Ticket: "Hi Everyone, we have $8M but I'm afraid we have no plan at all, we would love your vote"
BV: "You've got mine!"

:P


The alternative at the moment is No Plan/No Money. I'd take Money/No Plan over that anyday.

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Jarusa wrote:
BV, are you seriously saying this would be possible.

New Ticket: "Hi Everyone, we have $8M but I'm afraid we have no plan at all, we would love your vote"
BV: "You've got mine!"

:P


The alternative at the moment is No Plan/No Money. I'd take Money/No Plan over that anyday.


No, so far it is Bad Plan/Some Money and the alternative is Mystery Money/Mystery Plan. :P

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Jarusa wrote:
BV, are you seriously saying this would be possible.

New Ticket: "Hi Everyone, we have $8M but I'm afraid we have no plan at all, we would love your vote"
BV: "You've got mine!"

:P


The alternative at the moment is No Plan/No Money. I'd take Money/No Plan over that anyday.


No, so far it is Bad Plan/Some Money and the alternative is Mystery Money/Mystery Plan. :P


:) If someone lays down $8m there's money

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The conundrum for me is the plan.

I'm all in favour of someone tipping in cash - ie a new ticket - but I'm more interested in their long term views on how to run the club.

tipping in cash is one answer to our present woes but it will not present us in tip top shape for ongoing success - a state of being which does not require white knights.

By all means bring the money but bring a fully detailed plan with it if you want my vote.


Totally agree, we must build up our revenue year on year not rely on handouts.

Following the Essendon* model of marketing their club would be a good start. The Collingwood model is a bit difficult to follow when the Blues do not have a highly rating Thursday night national television program to help sell the club.


You are right...The Essendon* model was built around looking after the rank and file and they started doing that 20 years ago...those teenagers with duffle jackets are now adult members...we flowered over our rank and file in favour of the silver tails and paid the price.....

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A serious question for the knowledgeable ones on this site.

If Smorgon puts his hand in his pocket and forks out $8m, will that placate the masses?


I shall answer this.... cos im knowledgable enough on this topic...

If smorgon puts his hand in his pocket and opens his wallet moths would fly out.....

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I'm by no means connected with any blokes at the club, but if if Smorgo pulled out $8 mill large, I'd still vote him out.

Why?

Money wouldn't change a thing and it certainly wouldn't change his attitude to running the board and the club.

It's high time he was ousted and it'll only be a matter of time before "Little Jack" and his boys give Smorgo the boot.

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I'd much prefer a saviour with a plan and with money. Is that asking for too much? After all if they've got the money I'm sure they can afford to get someone to write and market a business plan.

Failing that I'll go with someone with a decent plan anyday over some turkey with a heap of dough, no idea and thoughts of personal playthings.

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Obviously it is asking too much because that white knight hasnt surfaced.
Everyone would love a saviour with 10 million bucks, a fantastic business plan and offering you life membership to Hooters but its not there!
So when you say I'll take the saviour option or you dont get my vote, who does get your vote? Smorgon?
He's offering nothing that you're expecting others to deliver and he's had 5 years to prepare a plan!

If someone credible came along with 5 mill to reduce our debt, the money to piss off the AFL and Pagan, as long as they say the right things, I'm in.
They need to offer the transparency and democracy that these clowns have forgotten. They need to show initiatives to market the club with the appropriate individuals.
They need to have the confidence of the NAB and the AFL and a balanced, positive balance to the board instead of lawyers and mates.

Thats nowhere near a comprehensive plan but it gives me more confidence than the fools we currently have.
Its a good enough start in my books.
If you'd take Smorgon over that, god help us.

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Here we go again: Jim Wilson reports that the AFL are not happy with the latest Smorgo move:

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

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So BV, ODN, you'd just take the money, no questions asked, allow them to possible flower the club up in new and innovative ways and move on.


I think I mentioned I was being a tad facetious. However, given our financial state, I'd be happy to put money number one, plan number two in the short term, if it meant keeping the administrators from moving in. Wouldn't you?

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That just gives us more pain and over a longer term.


Really? If whoever is in control is doing a bad job, they are hardly going to lose $8m in the time it takes to get 100 signatures and call an EGM, in turn voting on a board spill.

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Perhaps you would prefer we become someone else's plaything because they tipped the dough in? Maybe Smorgon could be your saviour?


Yes, I quite the idea of being a plaything. It's abundantly clear in everything I say and do. Will there be whips and condiments involved?

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I'd much prefer a saviour with a plan and with money. Is that asking for too much?


I don't know ... is it? If the doomsayers are correct and we have the NAB about to beat down our door, I'll take the money now. If we can sustain ourselves with no money and a solid plan, fantastic. Would be even sweeter not to be indebted to these alleged benefactors. I have to say though, despite the fact that Smorgon and the other board members have been described as muppets, I believe there is some business acumen amongst them, and if they haven't been able to come up with a plan good enough to turn our fortunes around, I kind of figure it isn't an easy task ... or at least not as easy as is being made out.

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Failing that I'll go with someone with a decent plan anyday over some turkey with a heap of dough, no idea and thoughts of personal playthings.


You are talking ideal world stuff though. How often do you get your cake and eat it too?

Smorgon might have a plan but doesn't give details. The new ticket might have a plan that makes the bank fall over themselves. They may not. There may be money men hiding in the bushes. There may not. I'm not sure we are in a position to wait until Mr Right comes along with the right deal. People are going to have to decide, without access to the actual facts of the matter, which evil is the lesser out of the limited options presented.


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DNH geez youre like the bloke who found a pay envelope on the ground and upon looking in bitched and moaned the tax was taken out...



Oh i wanna know if this means what i think it means...

Its Jim Wilsons article and its quoting Marcus Rose... who has done FA in 4 years...

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"The financial position of the Carlton Football Club is improving significantly," Rose said. "In terms of sheer business success, I don't think any team in the AFL would have a financial standing that would compare with us.





Can he explain how he came to this opinion??

Thats getting real deep into TRIPPER territory there...

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Thought the same thing when I read it. Don't know anything about this Rose bloke , but geez he must be dreaming when he boasts about the financial standing of guys that have had to go cap in hand to the Spew and his cronies...

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hahah tom elliot using a paganism in that article - funny stuff

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By the way when i hear people saying "Smorgon might have a plan buit you dont know it".... i wanna laugh into their faces and tell them how thick they are.!

If there is a plan it would be obvious.

Hawthorn has a plan....... noone has to tell me what it is.. its obvious.
Dogs have a plan... same thing....

We dont have a plan because a good plan is obvious.

ALSO.... the AFL dont think we have a plan.. that why Fitzy was sent to observe and give us one....

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The trouble is nobody's got a plan that's been articulated. Not Smorgan (well, save for 'transparancy'), there's no challengers (as yet) and we continue to just drift along.

Maybe Ralph can organise a pop star to buy out our debt and we can crown them king or queen of carlton. I'd feel better then. Elton John?

I wanted a plan with recruiting and after flowering it up several years running, I finally can see the direction.

I now just want to see some detail on the management side of the business - I don't see it from Smorgon's mob. But I sure as hell want to see it from the next board ticket. I don't think it is asking too much.

I'm not deciding who gets my vote until everyone coughs up. And if they don't I'm stuffed and so is the club.

Nitpicking posts is wasting everyone's time when we all essentially want the same thing.

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Maybe Ralph can organise a pop star to buy out our debt and we can crown them king or queen of carlton. I'd feel better then. Elton John?


And who would we make king?

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