Why is it Synbad you are so pessimistic, and only see the negatives out of every situation??

Are you saying that if anyone is hired by Smorgon, they are a waste of time and only there to make up numbers?

Look im not happy either about Smorgon and Co having complete control over the board at this present time… But how do you know that the new additions will be failures if you never have even given them a chance to put forward there ideas…

Its not there fault they were invited on the board, and its not like they are exempt from the AGM in March either…

Spotlight has been a profitable business for over 20 years…why would you think a company like this, in which operates so greatly on minimising costs couldn’t help Carlton’s situation?

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Maybe we can relocate the workshop er i mean HQ to china and run things from there. The board can be made up of chinamen. We can also find some quality chinese footballers who will play for next to nothing.....

I think running Spotlight, compared to a football club, might be a little different Fab.....

Lets see these new guys plans so that we can get a feel for what they are capable.

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because minimising costs by importing cheap chinese stuff is not what this business is all about. its philosophy cannot be reproduced in the AFL...

Thats not to say that the guy is no good.. its just saying you CANNOT translate bringing in cheap chinese material into the country and selling it into a succesful AFL club...

and they might have been invited onto the board but are they that stupid that they took the invitation to join the Unity team and not expect to be painted with the same brush as the others ???

and were they "hired" by Smorgon to join the board???.. making up the numbers???... all they are... an increasingly desperate Smorgon wishing to pacify the Brown group... thats why they were invited on board... and yes theyre not expempt from a March lection but they certainly went on the front foot by attacking Elliot for being his fathers son.. and also DeLutis with a lie... which is he has been backed by Elliot and Lofts...

And yes theyre promising if they get elected they will bring in the dosh!!!.. what dosh????



And a lawyer in Moulton??Smorgon already has Wilson whats another lawyer going to add???... what do we want with a gaggle of lawyers when what we need is power hitters..


Theyre not power hitters.... !!!... are they???

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Spotlight is a business as is Carlton...

If you say they are completely different businesses and there is no correlation between them, name a business that would be perfect to aid Carlton’s trouble...

I agree when you say running a football club is completely different to running any other business. But that’s why we need diverse people on the board who have different ideas but share the same goal for the future....

People say Grollo or Fahour should join the future board... but do they have experience in running a football club...

We don’t know as did Collingwood when they voted in McGuire...we must at least give people a chance to at least try to succeed before we write them off...

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I agree totally.
Spotlight are the definately the business yardstick that the Mighty Carlton Football Club should model itself on.

We could slash our operating expenses by implementing a Spotlight style slash and burn on all player payments, like they did to their employees' wages under their AWA.
What was it? 2c an hour for the loss of all entitlements!!!!!! FFS!

Imagine the player exodus...........

Maybe we could also replace all club dinners (for the club sponsors) with sausage sizzles....byo cool drinks.....lower the dress standards to shirt and thongs as well so that monies previously spent on expensive suits can be donated to the reduction of the club's debt.

Yep, great idea - let's model ourselves on Spotlight and drive everyone away - players, sponsors and all.

Move operations to China...

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So Synbad, do you think that a name change from "Carlton" Blues to the "Bejing" Blues could work???

Gang of 22?

Carlton Emperors?

Great Wall of Navy?

Navy Bruise?

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Bluebagger revolution?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Humbled as I am - I would be happy run the new Beijing Blues with the best administration that China Blue and I could offer. We of course would recruit only the best with Caz, Synners and Danny Boy as consultants with Deano running Marketing and Camel as the technical advisor.
Go Beijing Blues (what a Christmas present!!!)

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Not possible due to requirement to pay 92.5% of the salary cap.

It’s actually funny that you guys put down new people even when you don’t have any other suggestions, on how to improve a situation.

We have added a few new board members who have been successful businessmen and just because they were invited by Smorgon they are automatically labelled “yes men" and worthless...

Is it there fault the club is a basket case…

Why cant you give them a chance before you bag them, I bet if Fraser Brown and Williams endorsed them you all would love them... (Pretty sure Brown has endorsed some of them)

I’m not a Smorgon fan but we have until March to see if they are any good and if not we vote them out simple…

And remember Spotlight is not just haberdashery, they also own RSEA and other various companies (that don’t use sweatshops) so im assuming they would have a good business development system...

And what’s with all the childish remarks "if Spotlight runs Carlton we would move to China" FFS...
What and if Grollo gets on the board we are going to start building skyscrapers for pre season training....geez grow up

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Fabulous, you may be happy having board members appointed at the whim of the President but I want my club's board to be made up of elected officials.

If a board member retires then they should either have a by-election for that seat (too expensive) or wait until the next AGM/EGM.

If you read the bulk of the threads on the new appointees there are many who are suggesting that the new board members may be good in the long term but that they're not happy with the way they've been appointed or the reasons they've been appointed in the manner they have.

I'm not sure where the new board members' loyalties lie - Smorgon may believe they're with him and he may not and they may indeed be with him or they may not. Unfortunately that's not the point.

Incumbency is valuable and the exposure these guys get over the next few months may be worth something that isn't available to other candidates who may be more worthy. The board should have been spilled a long time ago and when this started to get out of control there should have been an EGM with all positions vacant.

As it stands what we're left with is a President running around trying to build a wall against the coming onslaught instead of opening up the process to the members and allowing the club's members to decide.

He's gonna burn.

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I guess if i were to look at another buisness to aid Carlton's trouble, i would look at other sporting clubs/buisnesses.

I would begin with my ideal list of candidates who can be from any sport around the globe, and begin trying to lure them to the navy blue.....

These candidates would ofcoarse be proven to be succesful, unique, and full of drive......



I want a president like Elliot who wasn't afraid to stand up, and make the club be counted. He made the club feel untouchable in the glory days.....Ofcoarse without the financial stuff ups....

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The only way it should be.
The current lack of leadership shown by Smorgon merely shows that he is a desperate man who has been forced to take desperate measures to save his bacon.

The problem I have with that is that even if, by some miracle, Smorgon was to survive the next AGM - how long after that do you think he would last after that?

His handling of Carlton's affairs of late has shown nothing short of imcompetence.

If he survives the AGM and gets ousted before the next one, or even at the next AGM, it will only make matters worse for the club.

Someone should hand him the cushion and the sword now and get it over and done with.........

4everBlue - I'm not entering the discussion in any way shape or form except to say - you got that 2c an hour for no entitlements from either the 'Rock The MCG' IR Rally leaflets, or the Herald Sun... anyone commenting on Spotlight's business model can only speculate - unless there is someone here who is currently on the board of directors?! Irrespective of their plan, you can't say they aren't successful...

As for me? I'll wait and see there there is any cash injection/sign of an improved business plan as a result of this... or *sooner yet* see if the four musketeers who have recently joined the board are still around post-elections...

I agree with you there...I would have liked the new board members to be elected by the members rather than the President.

But we all see Smorgons selfishness and we know he is only looking after his own interests over Carlton’s interests.

I believe though, these new board members aren’t looking at the politics of Carlton, but are genuinely hoping to make a difference to the future of making Carlton a better club for the future...

Remember Smorgon will be gone soon anyways, and if we find out these new guys are hopeless we vote them out as well SIMPLE..

I think they deserve a chance to try a change the place

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F.F what sporting experience did Elliot have before joining Carlton?

Elliot was good president back in the day, but he was given the opportunity to be on the board and be president. So now we are able to say "Elliot was a good president" or "Elliot was a bad president". Regardless of what everyone thinks of him he was given the chance to lead to club and given opportunity to succeed.

If these new board members aren’t given a chance, how can we make a fair judgement on them...

Grollo and Fahour "might" be good board members but can you tell me they would have better ideas than Fried and Moultan??

We will never know unless they are given a chance...

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These men have the opportunity to nominate for the board and to be voted in by the members like any other candidate.

They dont "deserve" anything more than that.

They are making decisions on our behalf whilst democratically elected representatives are being excluded.
How anyone can condone that is beyond me.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I guess Elliots ways grew old with him so he ultimetly failed....

I see your point no doubt, all i can say is that they have to have a good track record ,and have a modern proven buisness acumen...

It would be a bonus if they are passionate about Carlton....

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