Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Tue Jul 08, 2025 3:59 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 165 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:40 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
The way you carry on about the maligned four, it sounds like you need a good orgasm Synbad :wink: .

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:42 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
The way you carry on about the maligned four, it sounds like you need a good orgasm Synbad :wink: .


BM youre so witty.... :lol:

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:24 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:52 am
Posts: 1588
Location: My social club stand, Princes Park
Synbad wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
The way you carry on about the maligned four, it sounds like you need a good orgasm Synbad :wink: .


BM youre so witty.... :lol:



Maybe you two can get together and work on it.

Synbad and Bluemark - make love, not war!

_________________

************************************************************
NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:53 am 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm
Posts: 2123
Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread already or not but one thing I'd do if I was Denis would be to have Kade Simpson in the side for the rest of the season, give him proper gametime and let's see how good he is.

I'd also show a bit more faith in players like Setanta. What was the point of starting Setanta and Eddie Betts on the bench in the last quarter on the weekend? OK they don't have to play every minute of every game but the game was gone anyway so why not at least keep them on the ground?

_________________
Formerly Blues-Back2003.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:54 am 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm
Posts: 3261
denis has to take the lead on leaderhip this week and set an example by dropping a few so called "leaders"

they may be letting the team down on the field - one way to start fixing it is to banish them for a spell...denis let it rip this week...who he replaces them is another question :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:08 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:08 pm
Posts: 1277
Location: Perth
Considering the list he inherited, the draft picks that we lost, and that EVERYONE considers we overachieved last year, and that we won the WC, I think criticising Pagan is a little premature...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 7:18 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 27, 2005 6:31 pm
Posts: 24457
Location: Heartbroken
If I was Denis, I'd eat a lot more grapes.

The man does not eat enough grapes!

_________________
Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:20 am 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:58 am
Posts: 3583
Location: Drinking chardonnay with the elites
steve wrote:
Considering the list he inherited, the draft picks that we lost, and that EVERYONE considers we overachieved last year, and that we won the WC, I think criticising Pagan is a little premature...


Exactly - a bit of perspective please.

_________________
"Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot about puppies." - Gene Hill


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 8:50 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
Synbad, you're broken record. :D

I think Steve is on the money with his comment, although I do think that Denis should come under scrutiny, just as any other person at the club should. But 7 or 8 weeks ago everyone loved Denis, he was a Pagan send as I put it once. Now, all of a sudden he's a hack. After the amount of time in the game he's had I don't buy it.

Put it this way, if I was given the choice of wiping every player from the list starting afresh with Pagan as head coach, or keeping every player on the list with any coach from any era ... I'd keep Pagan everytime I reckon.

Sure Denis may be a part of the problems our team is facing right now, but there appear to be so many problems that there are only so many Denis can be responsible for. Is Denis to blame for the club trading for the likes of O'Reilly, Mansfield et al? Is Denis to blame for rorting the salary cap and poor list management stemming back to the early and mid 90s? Some of these decisions are still hurting us...

...but we'll be back, I have no doubt in that. I know there'll be a few glitches along the way. But, at this stahe, I still have faith in Denis.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:47 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am
Posts: 1651
amazonstud wrote:
...... They got a run on and we needed every player to take a man and make sure he didn't get free. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise that. It's basic football. Lack of leadership perhaps but certainly a lack of awareness...........


exactly my point - the footballers are DUMB.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:56 am 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:49 am
Posts: 1651
BlueMark wrote:
Would you rather him not get the ball? He can't win in some peoples eyes if he gets it, will certainly get bagged if he doesn't. Just come out and say it Synbad. You do not want Campo or Whits in the team period. And haven't for years.


l'll say it if l may BM....I DO NOT WANT CAMPO IN THIS SIDE!!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:03 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am
Posts: 4827
How is Denis Pagan responsible?......as has been said..inherited a mess...on and off the ground....has tried every trick in the book to get us players...from Ireland to Wangaratta, ...its not like he has had a silver spoon welcome and the red carpet treatment like Wallace who rolled into Richmond with a bundle of high draft picks etc....
We have a A grade coach..we dont have enough A grade players..thats the problem...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:20 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 18745
Location: threeohfivethree
I want Campo in the side...

IF...

He stops whinging, backchatting, diving and generally being a little shit.

And IF he can play the sort of quality football he's capable of whilst keeping his head down then he's more than welcome.

If I've got any criticisms of Denis it's that Camporeale wasn't given a week off after the dive. :?

Might have focussed some of the rest of the players a little going into the Tigers game.

Lance Whitnall looks like he's going to go down in history as one of the greatest wastes of talent ever. Campo isn't anywhere near that but he's always going to be held in lower esteem than he would be in the long term due to his inability to just get on with the game.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:24 am 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10625
Rod Waddell wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Would you rather him not get the ball? He can't win in some peoples eyes if he gets it, will certainly get bagged if he doesn't. Just come out and say it Synbad. You do not want Campo or Whits in the team period. And haven't for years.


l'll say it if l may BM....I DO NOT WANT CAMPO IN THIS SIDE!!


I feel sorry for Campo. FairDinkum he gets smashed every week and gets no support from umpires or teamates, he actually changed his game to accomodate DP's game plan (have a look at his tackle count) and people are still not happy. I would not be surprised if Campo got a better offer elsewhere and left at the end of the year. I for one would be disappointed if that occured. They aren't natural leaders, but they are good players and unfortunately because we don't have enough natural leaders we expect them to be both. Some players just aren't both and we must accept that. I don't know what is being said behind the scenes but what I do know is that neither Whitnall or Camporeale deserve this type of abuse, week in week out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:26 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18064
How was Denis Pagan outcoached?
What particular aspect of Saturdays game contributed to Richmond winning and us losing?
This game style has been at Carlton for 3 preseasons now.
It was good enough to see us improve our results enormously on the 2002 game style.

As Pagan repeatedly states. There is no rocket science to his gamestyle.
We get the ball to 30 metres out from goal as quickly as possible.
From there we make a contest.

On Saturday we got the ball inside 50 on 57 occasions.
From that we had 13 scoring shots.
That tells me that in simple terms, Richmond won more than 75% of the contests in our forward 50.
Did we make a reasonable contest? Not a chance.

The delivery might be shitful, the ball may come in along the ground 57 times.
Whatever the case, we should expect our forwards to win 50% of the contests or at least create a stoppage.

Our forwards didnt contest enough, they didnt chase enough and they didnt work hard enough.

Pagan moved Whitnall, Kouta, Carlos, Eddie, Jarrad, Longmuir, Lappin, Houlihan and Walker through the forward line.
Apart from getting a kick, he did what he could.

That sad fact is, the players didnt work hard enough.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:33 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:23 am
Posts: 48684
Location: Canberra
If Denis really wanted to send a message to the senior players he'd get Fev to return to the side via the Bullants. But I guess we could discuss ad nauseum the merits of implementing such a policy.

Rightly or wrongly, I think Denis rates Campo pretty highly, but agree that Good-Campo is good for us, but Bad-Campo is not.

_________________
Click here to follow TalkingCarlton on twitter
TalkingCarlton Posting Rules


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:48 am 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am
Posts: 10414
Location: Coburg
I think he should have had their spare defender manned up BV.

I think Teague on Stafford was silly but given our problems not sure what he could have done :oops: (hows that for an each way).

I think he should have put Walker on Couglan and Stevens somewhere else.

_________________
This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:53 am 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am
Posts: 4827
This matchup business really annoys me.....Teague has no business being on Stafford ever....Stafford is a ruckman.......get a ruckman or very tall defender to man him. That means French or Deluca or Bryan...or maybe Norman...bit like asking Steve Nash to play on Shaq in the low post....its called common sense....


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:10 am 
Offline
Stephen Silvagni
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:27 am
Posts: 28528
Location: Free Beer!!
dannyboy wrote:
I think he should have had their spare defender manned up BV.

I think Teague on Stafford was silly but given our problems not sure what he could have done :oops: (hows that for an each way).

I think he should have put Walker on Couglan and Stevens somewhere else.


I think he should have switched DeLuca and Teague. Had Teague further up the ground where he can be more effective and not exposed DeLuca to the more mobile Simmonds. Having said that I don't think Simmonds or Stafford really damaged us.

As for comparing it to Nash on Shaq....hardly, Betts on Stafford maybe.

_________________
"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:30 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18064
dannyboy wrote:
I think he should have had their spare defender manned up BV.


And what happens next?
They put another defender there, and then another.
Exactly how North did it.

Each time it opens up their forward line more and congests ours.
We're better keeping it as open as possible and creating space for our forwards.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 165 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], timinfernie and 39 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group