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Hey let's not forget the straight kicking for goal!!! :D

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Phew, that was close!!! :wink:


Agro - those four words are probably the most honest thing that I have ever read on this forum

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Haven't seen the game yet. But I wasn't surprised to hear Kirk and Jude Bolton getting a stack of frees for too high and in the back. The umps absolutely love these 2, and they know how to milk the frees.


Carlton had two opponents today. The Sydney Swans and the Umpires.


Some umpiring was questionable - on both sides.

It comes down to tackling technique. Ducking your head has nothing to do with it. We don't tackle low, we don't put our head down and we don't hit with the body. We go in with arms everywhere!! Not good enough


I disagree.
Yes our tackling technique is poor and has been for a long time.
But the rules states that a free should not be given if the player contributes to the high contact eg. ducking the head.

If they didnt duck, the high contact would not occur.
Poor decision making.

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But seriously, does anybody know some stats for possesions against vs. possessions for...Campo's man was Jude Bolton and well he was probably one of the BOG...


Jude Bolton had 33 touches and was BOG for mine
Campo had 14 touches and was absolutely flogged by Jude! The game is slowly passing Campo by...

Oops, sorry, you want some positives... ah.... let's see.... we are one game closer to the PP :oops:

And Bryan ofcourse. Let's hope he can put a few decent performances in a row

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Haven't seen the game yet. But I wasn't surprised to hear Kirk and Jude Bolton getting a stack of frees for too high and in the back. The umps absolutely love these 2, and they know how to milk the frees.


Carlton had two opponents today. The Sydney Swans and the Umpires.


Some umpiring was questionable - on both sides.

It comes down to tackling technique. Ducking your head has nothing to do with it. We don't tackle low, we don't put our head down and we don't hit with the body. We go in with arms everywhere!! Not good enough


I disagree.
Yes our tackling technique is poor and has been for a long time.
But the rules states that a free should not be given if the player contributes to the high contact eg. ducking the head.

If they didnt duck, the high contact would not occur.
Poor decision making.


Spot on BV. The Bastard umpire proved he knew the friggin rule when he payed holding the ball against a swans player in the final minute when he ducked the head. He simply chose to ignore this rule that he was well aware of for the rest of the day.

I don't normally blame umpiring performance for our losses, but we were friggin crucified yesterday. Andrew Demetriou's comments about the AFL needing the Swans to win a premiership must have filtered down to the umpiring community.

Positive - we kept at it despite corrupted, biased umpiring.

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Deano Supremo wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Laguna wrote:
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Stefchook wrote:
Haven't seen the game yet. But I wasn't surprised to hear Kirk and Jude Bolton getting a stack of frees for too high and in the back. The umps absolutely love these 2, and they know how to milk the frees.


Carlton had two opponents today. The Sydney Swans and the Umpires.


Some umpiring was questionable - on both sides.

It comes down to tackling technique. Ducking your head has nothing to do with it. We don't tackle low, we don't put our head down and we don't hit with the body. We go in with arms everywhere!! Not good enough


I disagree.
Yes our tackling technique is poor and has been for a long time.
But the rules states that a free should not be given if the player contributes to the high contact eg. ducking the head.

If they didnt duck, the high contact would not occur.
Poor decision making.


Spot on BV. The Bastard umpire proved he knew the friggin rule when he payed holding the ball against a swans player in the final minute when he ducked the head. He simply chose to ignore this rule that he was well aware of for the rest of the day.

I don't normally blame umpiring performance for our losses, but we were friggin crucified yesterday. Andrew Demetriou's comments about the AFL needing the Swans to win a premiership must have filtered down to the umpiring community.

Positive - we kept at it despite corrupted, biased umpiring.


Not to mention the Goodes deliberate shot at goal for us which went OOB. That's been deliberate for years!
And Brett Kirk ducking into a tackle, being tapped on the top of the head by a jumper, and jumping back like he's been shot.

Both of those decisions resulted in Swans goals.

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I had a mate over while watching the delayed coverage on Ten, and he made the comment that Carlton have a few kids that he reckons will be pretty good. In particular he nominated Walker, Betts, Carrazzo, Fisher and Waite. He was very impressed with Bryan's debut, and also said that he thinks Davies can be more than servicable when he gets game time.
I stopped to think about it, and I had to agree that there are quite a few younger players at the club who have the potential to be very, very good players. Potential is almost a dirty word when used to describe budding AFL players, but I can see plenty in our junior players. Not all will make it obviously, but those that do will be worth waiting for.


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Barry Hall provided a positive role model of how to play as a forward. Superb and fair game from Bazza.
Chris Bryan was positively fantastic.
Positive the umpires have no friggin idea, could write a book on the mistakes yesterday.
Agree Livo was positive
Postively agree with Cazzesman on T-Birds kicking to targets -not flash
Postive future for Jarrad Waite
I'm positive we will "win" the spoon
But postive Pagan will bring us back with the best available talent and another minor restructure.
Positively can't wait for 2006.

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marciblue wrote:
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But seriously, does anybody know some stats for possesions against vs. possessions for...Campo's man was Jude Bolton and well he was probably one of the BOG...


Jude Bolton had 33 touches and was BOG for mine
Campo had 14 touches and was absolutely flogged by Jude! The game is slowly passing Campo by...

Oops, sorry, you want some positives... ah.... let's see.... we are one game closer to the PP :oops:

And Bryan ofcourse. Let's hope he can put a few decent performances in a row


Campo WAS NOT on Bolton until the second half. Campo was on Ben Matthews in the first half and Bolton was cutting us up then anyway on different opponents.

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Blues2005 is correct. Campo bloody started in teh forward pocket, and then was at half back in teh second quarter, and really didnt get a go on Bolton until the third from memory. Bolton caned Bentick, but good on Denis for trying him in there really, and a few others I think.

I was thinking about campo alot during the game. I think i've been very unfair on him. Yes, we all know about HBR etc. but we just dont have the list yet to allow Campo to play FP or HFF. He is needed in the middle for we just dont have many great onballers on the list. Hopefully he'll sign for 3 years and we can start to use him back in the way he was originally drafted.

Does anyone know if Kouta was sick or just tagged out of the game?


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There was talk before the game that Kouta was a bit crook I think but I don't know how serious it was..

I thought Kouta was just beaten on the day by Goodes and then Craig Bolton, just couldn't give us anything really for large parts of the game.

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Anyone for Bolton at the Blues? Thought he was tough, fast, at it - would love to see him in the middle for us. Another blondie would make us look soft, but Bolton definitely ain't.

ps Jude, not Craig. I thought Craig was really shown up today as a short defender not quite good enough on his own but great if he can double team.


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There was talk before the game that Kouta was a bit crook I think but I don't know how serious it was...


Apparently the Swans were expecting Kouta not to play, at least that's what was said on the TV call. They didn't shed any concrete light on what was wrong with Kouta, but at the time the comments were made he was on the bench having one of his wrists worked on.

Bryan, great debut, great kick, woof, woof!

Our tackling was actually pretty good. Yes, the yellow urinal cakes stuffed up a lot of calls when Swans players continually ducked their heads, but in truth a couple of those were 50/50 calls I'd say. Mind Livo and McGrath put in some superb tackles deep in defence. McGrath's in the third quarter should have been rewarded but the men in charge were too busy getting pissed on. :x

Carrots, I hope some of his detractors were watching him closely, some of his delivery by foot running from defence was superb. He'll be around for a few years yet.

Waite, the Panther, showed us again some of his sublime skills.

Walker, good in a way for him to get a run on a lesser light this week to help relieve pressure from last week's big scalp. He's a bit like Luke Hodge I reckon. Once he gets a bit of experience under his belt he'll reward us for years on end.

Lance, did some really clever things today, not the least kicking 5 goals. Consistency?

Fev, I take 7dominator's comments on board, and he's right, however, there are tangible signs that Fevola is improving and there's little doubt that we need a guy like him contributing. Like I said last week, we need two of him, one to mark inside 50 and one to kick it inside 50. (Anyone know how he's finished up after the game after appearing to twinge his groin in the 3rd quarter?)

Tbird, might not have had one of his best days in the jumper, but I just love this bloke. All class.

All in all a pretty good team effort with little influenece from the likes of Stevens, Kouta, Houla or Campo showing that our kids will take us places when it's their time to shine.

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Anyone for Bolton at the Blues? Thought he was tough, fast, at it - would love to see him in the middle for us. Another blondie would make us look soft, but Bolton definitely ain't.

ps Jude, not Craig. I thought Craig was really shown up today as a short defender not quite good enough on his own but great if he can double team.


I've always liked Jude as a player. Remember seeing him at OO one day, was hard at the ball, and thinking this kid will be a player.

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Positives:

Bryan
Waite (gotta be goal of the week)
Lance
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I thought the Bryan & Whitnall games were the big positives for both ours and their futures but just a comment on the maligned Davies…..

Davies IMO, has huge amounts of talent but gets very unfairly treated on these fan sites. Whenever I see him play he shows heaps of potential, is very creative and always seems to be doing the team oriented thing – even at the expense of his own game.

People here criticise his tackling but he is one of the few, in our team, who ever lays them. Yesterday he was only on for half a game and yet laid more tackles than any other player! He gave away two frees (one of which was v questionable) and received one – hardly the stats of a Franchina!!!

His blocking is another aspect that gets ignored here – look at the two blocks he laid for Bryan in the third quarter.

He will also readily fill the hole or alternatively create space by dragging his opponent away from a leading Fev.

They criticise his disposal and yet yesterday, when even Kouta was turning the ball over, I cannot recall a Davies turnover – although I do remember a great pass to Whitnall and a couple of creative handballs.

I do not think it was a coincidence that when the Blues were firing in the third quarter Davies and Bryan were on the ball and when we stopped in the last they weren’t.

I am not trying to say Davies is a champion but he is developing and IMO continues to show enough potential for the Blues to persevere.


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Here here Letter of Credit (is that what LC stands for?)

Davies does some very clever things - in the Wizzer he was great at it, knock-ons, shepherds, and actually was earning a bit of the ball. The problem with Davies is that a number of fans think he is lazy because of his lazy kicking style, and all too regular kicks to the feet of his fellow Carlton players. Fans are harsh, and should remember that he was 2.8 after 4 rounds, including two games of 1.3. Imagine if they were 3.1 games, his season would have been very different.


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Another one:

Team spirit is rebuilding - When Barry Hal kicked on in the 3rd (maybe the last), he went back to his position, and was bullying Teague by banging against him, an obvious size/bulk/strength mismatch, and Thornton came over and not only got in between them, but butted Hall out of it, and got him away.

Sticking up for teammates, a great sign!

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My 2 cents worth on Davies.

I saw yesterdays game and a replay of last wks bullants game and IMO, Davies needs to be given more gametime and be played more as an onballer/midfielder.

his innate footy skills are fine, a little shaky from time to time under pressure in a struggling team, he has plenty of mates there. This will become less frequent as the team improves and he is more confident of place in the team.

He has a great footy brain and seems capable of finding stacks of the ball (a skill nearly impossible to teach), is illusive, is generally hard at it (something we clearly lack), can tackle (although his technique needs refining) and is a strong mark for his size.

he just seems to be one of those guys that sticks out like a beacon when he makes a bad decision on the footy field.

He must be the shyest bloke at the club, going by the post match interview after the ants game. Shy people need confidence to thrive. Give him a decent run in the team, vary his roles - more midfield/tagging roles and fingers crossed for 2006.

We all know he has the potential


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for mine davies is a david Gower tuype, looks like he isn;t trying so everyone bags him. i like him, think at times he is extremely creatiuve. has a habit of going missing but it doesnlt help that the coiach benches him so often. he needs game time, plenty of it, in the middle. He;ll use him the rest of the year there, what have we got to lose/

Oh that's right a P.P.. :roll:

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