dont doubt that one bit

Stevens, Kouta, Campo and Fev all shouldnt have played this week IMO, clearly they where all carrying some type of injury and having them on the field at times during the game was almost as if we where a man down.

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It was reported on Sunday that he has been playing with the medial ligament damage (knee) for some time. He shouldn't be playing. He's a terribly selfish footballer to play injured, it would appear (I had a pretty good seat) that he is doing it to line his own pocket and to prove to everyone how soft he is. But let’s not make any excuses for him. He's on $900k+ a season. (Or is it up to 1.2mil?)

Quite right he shouldn't be playing, the injury should be given time to heal and under normal circumstances it would be. But as Prez noted a number of the senior group are carrying injuries and should be rested as well. I suspect they are playing not because they are selfish but because Pagn and the MC may want/need them out there.

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L.M 35-06

TOTALLY DISAGREE! Read my previous post about Thornton & Walker. Simply if Thornton was on Brown at the time the ball was kicked instead of 30m away he would have been infront of Walker and had a realistic chance of spoiling it was purely Thornton's fault!

We had nothing to gain by playing an injured Fev, Stevens, or even Campo. More time in the midfield for Davies, Sporn, etc would be beneficial to their development and more beneficial to the club then playing injured senior players.

i can understand that, but Walker was in a better position to spoil and should have. He was to worried about his own opponent. T-Bird was late to the contest but the way Tex went about it he impeded on T-Bird stopping him from having any chance.

Tex will learn though - going to be a champ for us, was super impressed wtih this game, even though he made a few mistakes, as a kid i accept that, but would far prefer a kid that backs themselves (walker does) and makes mistakes than someone that doesnt back themselves and still make mistakes.

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Quite right BM. It was obvious Campo was restricted in movement, however there appeared to be absolutely no restriction in movement with his mouth. His antics are embarrasing and have been for years. In any case the other injury that Campo unfortunately has had to carry for years is with his heart!

You can't have it both ways. You want Walker to spoil but not get in the way? Read what you are saying!

Look I get what you are saying but if you have played the game you would know that apart from taking an uncontested mark with no opponent the easiest mark is 3rd man up. He was on a hiding to nothing. Yes he could have made a better effort but he saw Brown late after trying to get front position on Aker.
The simple fact is Thornton SHOULD have been on Brown and SHOULD NOT have given a spray to Walker when it was his fault!

While we're at it, lets start to bash some other players rather than Campo solely:

Stevens - embarrassing. Beaten by a 6 game veteran in Selwood?? Did not raise a sweat in combat.
Waite - this will hurt many. Soundly beaten for mine by a rookie elevated 4 gamer in J Drummond. Jarrod looked outclassed on the night.
Houla - beaten by his own shadow emanating from the Dome's lights. Some more of those classical turnovers whether by left or right foot.
Livo - maybe a bit harsh here but D Merrett - a bloody 2 gamer pulled your pants down in that last qtr
Teague - l loved your courage last year but this year struggling big time - you are back to your best Port Melbourne VFL style circa 2003.

Could go on but will leave it here. What we are witnessing is a very dispirited group, who have no confidence in themselves nor their teammates. Bonding appears to be non existent. Pagan needs to take some responsibility here and especially whilst he is on that common Campo figure.....$650,000

Agree, except some in here would be bashing Campo et al for being 'soft' for not playing with injuries.

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L.M 35-06

played the game for years - anyone that understand the game knows that sometimes it is better for you to leave your man and help your teamamte

Its a two folded problem. IMO i thought T-Bird thought that with Walker in a better position he would punch the ball and T-Bird would pull out and stop aker from doing something, but when it was clear that Walker wasnt going to do it T-Bird had to go in.

Mind you Brown came from the side of walker so i can understand you position, but maybe if he wasnt so aware of aker (which is a good thing) he would of attacked the ball first.

Its simple really, walker was in the better position to spoil or even take the mark, but he was too focused on akermanis.

Im not bagging Walker at all - just hope he will learn from it as he did during the night. He started on the wrong side of aker at the beginning of the game, but by games end he was goal side - thats great, he is learning during the game and that is all i and anyone can really ask of him.

The same thing goes for Teague IMO - you dont always have to take the mark to help your team mates. Yes its good when he backs himself in and goes against the flow of play to take a mark, but sometimes it impededs on your teammates and can be less effecitve.

they just have to learn to know when to go and when not to go - and as kids i dont expect them to know everything straight away.

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Speedy wingman Prez?

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I wasn't clear in my earlier post - my criticism related to his finishing - he butchered a few kicks into our forward line which cost us goals - He was also very weak in a couple of marking contests as well being led right under the ball - I would have expected better from him normally.

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This wasnt a post to bash Campo's playing ability if injured hew shouldnt play the post was his responsibility to be a VC and to lead ... The attack on Campo is more to his on - field behaviour and the way he mouths off and gives awaty poor frees not questioning his playing ability but if you want to bring that into account Campo for the weekend had 15 touches of which 7 where clangers higher than any other player including Houla

As for Stevo though season is average he still is the leading clearance player with 39 clearances so i would say has been more important than Campo for the season but yes both are prob injured but i am questioning Campo position as VC not his playing ability

be surprised mate

i was the rock rover - average close to 30 possesion per game if not more and would have got more if we had a better ruckmen, came third in the league one year. hold all types of records at my club

that was back in my leaner days when i was at my playing weight - 84kg.

yep - 177cm and 84cm - was a war tank - played my first come back game in the seconds as a 17 year old - got pole axed, went back on and fixed the prick up that got me

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I mentioned this in another thread last week. This is one part of TBird's game that really, really pisses me off. He shouldn't be doing it! Someone should have a word to him about it coz it's a terrible thing to do out on the field and it's not like this is an isolated incident.

Players make mistakes. TBird leave the sprays to Denis mate!!

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That goes without saying Synbad... love your sprays... compelling reading!!

Just back on TBird, it is absolutely poor form to spray a teamate in front of all the players and the viewing public. This is not something that a good leader does AFAIC (and hence why I have reservations about him as potential skipper)... Especially to a young player.... should be encouraging him to do better next time instead of giving him a public barrage for a mistake....credit to AW for not dropping his head, and not losing his focus on the Aker tagging job, after copping that.

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Agree - while I think it stems from being genuinely angry at being beaten in a contest it is something he needs to watch.

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i agree that tbird shouldnt get angry at fellow players during the game - it will set a precedent and other players may follow the practice of deflecting the blame, whether justified or not. Players may also start doing it to cover their ass and to try and convince pagan at the time that it wasnt their fault. Leave it for pagan and the vidoe tape review.