But see that's the problem, will he be willing to take the pay cut?

Does he feel he is worth more than 250K a year?

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The problem with Lance is he has a history of not working hard enough...
He now has pulled the digit out after missing for 10 weeks.

Its only because Collo told him he wont be signed up during the season...
He gets too comfortable.

Hes literally playing for his career.

Do you sign him on a year to year contract???

Nah!!!You cut him loose and het what you can for him.

Best for both parties...

No time to be sensitive.

Hes had more than enough chances.

We have a club to rebuild!!!

Lance cant be part of that... he just doesnt have the mind set.
Maybe he will find it elsewhere.. but he will never find it here!!!

Ta Da Lance,...

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The point I was trying to make PJ was that he will get 250K max at Carlton, if Hawthorn offered 350K or something, the Hawks wouldn't have to trade for him if they came 2nd last. They'd offer him the contract and the Hawks wouldn't even try to trade for him knowing that he'd end up at the Hawks in the PSD.

UNLESS someone else put forward an offer for Whitnall. Whether he goes into the PSD or not is dependent on someone else making an offer for him. If another offer is made then we will be ok. But if no offers are made, he will either go to a team in the PSD for more $$$ or he'll stay at Carlton for 250K.

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Ahhhh.

Point taken, my bald headed friend.

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If he goes in the PSD after what we have paid him for doing nothing for the last few years.. it would prove what he really is...

He better do the pious thing for once in his life...

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When you go through our list there are very few players that are of value to other clubs. We would not consider trading Fev, Waite, Walker, Thornton etc (unless it was for a Judd).

We are in the process of rebuilding. In order to get something of value, you need to give something up. Whitnall is one of the few players on our list that has some perceived value at other clubs (Houla probably being the only other one), and he is also one of the few players we could afford to lose (bearing in mind that he will in all reality not be part of our next charge at a flag). We have for one reason or another struggled to get the best out of him over the last 4 or 5 years.

We should cut our losses and try to get as much as we can for him. It would probably be best for him, and best for the club.

CC, very few players burn their clubs with the PSD these days. Stevens was extraordinary circumstances. Most clubs will offer a "token" trade if they are in the box seat with the PSD. But you're right, we need to have interest from two parties in order to get anything of value. Let's hope the Bulldogs realise they need a forward sometime soon. If Whitnall does burn us ala Hamill, well I guess then Synbad will have been right all along.

I had a look over at HHQ.

Three names were thrown up as potential targets in the article about the amount cash they are going to be able to throw around at seasons end.

Those names were Lance, Ash Hansen and Kosi.

Everyone preferred Hansen, Kosi was next but some were sceptical about his injuries and then Lance...however, the word hack was used in just about every post about him.

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Suppose Lance goes in the PSD.... but we gain Power or Kosi... i wouldnt be pissed off.
If we swapped it would be a win for us anyway..

Look.. Lance can do what he likes but he would never command huge dollars.

The club might just say Lance go there and we will throw in a few grand of your contract.. on top of what theyre paying you.. (if it can be done)...

Lance is money motivated... 26 and the well looks dry

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I agree MKM re: the PSD and Stevens being special circumstances.

There Port was pigheaded. I guess it's gentleman's etiquette because eventually it could happen to you if you try it once.

Though if Hawthorn wanted to do that, then look out Carlton v Hawthorn next year...

The possibility is there, of course, i'd rather get something decent for him but I'm only just alerting people to the possibilities We can't assume that it can't happen, because it might.

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It's definitely a risk CC. But it's always a risk with uncontracted players. Fortunately we're not talking about it being a risk with Waite, Walker, Fevola etc.

I do think if the club is smart about the way they go about things, worst case scenario, they will be able to work something out with Hawthorn. What goes around comes around after all.

That's why I'm hoping and praying we can snag Kosi in the PSD.

St Kilda owes us one for Hamill.

Kosi come on down!

Yes it is a risk MKM but the names you mentioned before though out of contract are also considered untouchable by the club hierarchy you'd think.

Stevens wasn't at Port. And neither's Lance at Carlton.

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But when we are in such a delicate stage of rebuilding and with such few genuine talented players on our list, the Waites, the Walkers, the Thorntons and the Fevolas are going to considered untouchable as they are the foundation players of our rebuilding process.

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Lance would be fantastic at any club where he is the No.3 forward.

Opposition clubs will struggle to contain him with their 3rd best backman.

If we could get Kosi then we could stick him at CHF and with Fev at FF Lance would be our 3rd forward.

I know this has been said in similar vain previously but we really, really, really NEED classy midfielders.

Lets face up to the reality:
Kouta - gone end of 2006
Campo - well and truly past his best, will be surprised if he's here in 2007
Lappin - 30yr old who fills gaps in our midfield from time to time, 2 yrs left

Hypothesising that Mitch Clark goes no.1 in this yrs draft, we will have the following tall/power forward options going forward:

Fev
Waite
Setanta
Clark
Hartlett (Could be defender, but can play forward)
Fisher
Raso

How many tallish, marking forward types do we need?

I agree with a previous poster that Lance would be beneficial in terms of providing guidance for this bunch but if we were to trade him, do a deal/bundle trade to get a gun midfielder.

With Kouta, Campo and Lappin nearly gone, what truly good midfielders are we left with - Stevens and Walker. Yeah, really competitive vs the good teams with 5-8 classy midfielders.

With the exception of Mitch Clark, the emphasis for this yrs drafts/trading has got to be MIDFIELDERS.

A Luke Power type over a Kosi type is much more beneficial. Midfielders first, then tall defender, then ruckman.

There, got it off my chest!