Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:06 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 57 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:06 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18066
Hackenschmidt wrote:
Lance acquitted himself superbly in the one on one contests against Tredrea. Lance's game on Tredrea almost won us the game that night. ..................................................................................................It was also interesting watching Lance beat Matthew Pavlich in a number of one on one contests against Freo 2 weeks ago, when they were directly opposed in the last quarter.


Were we watching the same game Hackenschmidt?
Which of Tredreas 17 possessions and 9 marks and 8 shots at goal do you place behind Lances 6 possessions?

As for Pavlich, I think we were watching a different game as well.
Pavlich absolutely smashed Lance, the same as he did any other player we put near him.

Anyone who thinks Lance is starring can keep pumping up his tyres.
He is our designated loose man.
Whenever he gets an opponent, we try to free him up.
Yes Lance looked the goods against the Hawks but who was his opponent?In my books his efficiency should be judged against Hawthorns loose man.
When Lance was loose, so was Danny Jacobs.
31 possessions to Jacobs, they won the game.
End of story.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:18 pm 
Offline
John Nicholls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:52 am
Posts: 9115
Location: Nth Fitzroy
Pavlich and Treadrea are kicking goals on everyone. If SOS was playingi reckon they would even get a couple on him. They are in fine form.
Lance probably wont be able to contain Warren but i dont think that is any reason while we dont re contract Red on a reduced contract.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:26 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:12 pm
Posts: 1291
Location: Sydney
Totally agree with BV.

Lance is playing the loose man in defence to make him look good (if J. Cloke can do it, anyone can do it)... to UP his trade value.

Lance as a KP defender??? You cannot be serious?? :lol: It will only work as a band-aid, shock tactic. Play Lance as a long term KP defender and you can bet your bottom dollar that opposition coaches will start to exploit his deficiencies.

He's playing defence coz Denis is planning for the future and establishing a new Fwd line without him. Get used to it folks. Our future attack is what you saw on the weekend.... MINUS Lance!

_________________
When Dick became President, it was as if everyone at Carlton came out of the hailstorm and into the sunshine - Stephen Kernahan

YARRAN!!





.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:44 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:50 am
Posts: 3193
Location: Whistler
Bluebernz wrote:
Lance as a KP defender??? You cannot be serious?? :lol: It will only work as a band-aid, shock tactic.


This I can agree with, the rest is speculation. He does not have the general mobilty required for CHB.

And both you and BV still ignore the fact that Lance was not the sweeper vs Richmond. I'm not using it as an argument to keep him or not keep him, simply pointing out that he had direct opponents in that game.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:57 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:12 pm
Posts: 1291
Location: Sydney
Generally starts off the season very slowly then gets better towards the second half of the year- as he builds his fitness base. Not good enough from Lance!!

We've been hanging on to his few good games a year for too long now. Lance is just a big tease... a few good games here and there to keep us interested. He's been doing it for the past 4 years or so.... way too long AFAIC... 4 years!... that's half a career we've been waiting for him to turn things around.

I'm over Lance.

_________________
When Dick became President, it was as if everyone at Carlton came out of the hailstorm and into the sunshine - Stephen Kernahan

YARRAN!!





.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:44 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm
Posts: 34556
Location: The Brown Wedge
Hackenschmidt wrote:
Of course Whitnall will play on Tredrea this week. With Thornton out injured, we don't have anyone else. And of course last time we played Port
Lance did a fantastic job on Tredrea after he'd given Kouta an awful shellacking.
Yes, Lance could get exposed on the lead if Port's midfield gets on top but last time, when our midfield was competitive, Lance acquitted himself superbly in the one on one contests against Tredrea. Lance's game on Tredrea almost won us the game that night. Now according to mainstream opinion, Warren Tredrea is close to the best footballer in the league and Lance played on him in a way that few, if any key defenders in the league are capable of. Perhaps Tredrea should be traded for a speculative draft pick in a draft with no stand out key position players. After all, it seems that a team's best key position player is expendable.
It was also interesting watching Lance beat Matthew Pavlich in a number of one on one contests against Freo 2 weeks ago, when they were directly opposed in the last quarter. Is Pavlich over-rated or is it possible that Lance is a very good footballer and the only bloke at Carlton who can come close to competing with players like that ?
Maybe Freo should trade Pavlich for a speculative draft pick in a draft with possibly no key position players. Key position players, who needs 'em anyway ? I bet Fitzroy were glad they got rid of Alastair Lynch and Paul Roos because they were compensated with access to the best young players in the country.
So, what did happen to Fitzroy after they got rid of those over-rated key position players and replaced them with compensatory draft picks ?


Hoooraaay!! great to hear someone who looks realistically at a situation rather than seeing only what they want to. Lance has saved our arse on numerous occasions this year playing whatever role you like - sweeper, loose man, super model, pilot - I don't care, but he's done the job.

He's kicked 4 against Essendon*, 2 match winners against Hawks and numerous attacking and defending roles that have salvaged some pride for the blues.

As a 6ft 3 he played on 6ft7 in defence and held his own on Sunday - oh yeah, let's get a skinny kid that might work out in 4 years, Pffft.

Okay, if we trade Lance, we need to target a 6ft4 CHB who is at least 21yo. Other than that we need to keep the big fella.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:48 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:20 am
Posts: 1200
Location: Adelaide
Agree with the Duke. Keep Lance

Put him on a 1 year deal worth 300 000 - 350 000
Tell him if he plays well next year hell get a two year deal worth a bit more than that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:40 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 11:51 am
Posts: 4628
Location: lygon street
its is a dicey situation. whilst you wouldn't want to lose him for less than he is worth, you wouldn't want to keep him for more than he is worth. i think the club needs to roll the dice and see what is offered by other clubs. if it is sufficient then you may as well keep him. problem is then that lance may simply opt to leave the club after being shopped around. it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:47 pm 
Offline
Trevor Keogh
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:25 am
Posts: 787
Locke wrote:
Agree with the Duke. Keep Lance

Put him on a 1 year deal worth 300 000 - 350 000
Tell him if he plays well next year hell get a two year deal worth a bit more than that.


275 to 300 next year. 1 year deal. If lance was payed on performance week in week out he would finish in the top 6 in the B+F every year.
Lance is the reason long term contracts are not the way to go.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:53 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm
Posts: 34556
Location: The Brown Wedge
mikey_m wrote:
Locke wrote:
Agree with the Duke. Keep Lance

Put him on a 1 year deal worth 300 000 - 350 000
Tell him if he plays well next year hell get a two year deal worth a bit more than that.


275 to 300 next year. 1 year deal. If lance was payed on performance week in week out he would finish in the top 6 in the B+F every year.
Lance is the reason long term contracts are not the way to go.


I reckon a 2 year 275K deal. If we develope Hartlett and Russell as defenders next year, we can trade Lance on our terms in a good draft, if it's a 1 year deal we're back to the same scenario again.

If we can all agree on this we can wrap it up and all go home :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:09 pm 
Offline
John Nicholls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:10 pm
Posts: 9404
Location: Back 50 of the Tiger Den
Locke wrote:
Agree with the Duke. Keep Lance

Put him on a 1 year deal worth 300 000 - 350 000
Tell him if he plays well next year hell get a two year deal worth a bit more than that.


Won't work.
Lance isn't stupid and would be looking for security.
He'd know that if he falls out of line and doesn't perform then he is out the door.

He will be looking for a 2 year + deal IMO.

_________________
Writer for SuperCoach Paige www.scpaige.com.au
Twitter - @johnfeeney24


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:40 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:20 am
Posts: 1200
Location: Adelaide
Probably right PJ
But would he accept that if no one else will take him
Despite his recent good form I still reckon a lot of clubs will be wary of an 190cm overweight forward who has only recently gotten rid of his 3 year form slump.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:42 pm 
Offline
John Nicholls

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:10 pm
Posts: 9404
Location: Back 50 of the Tiger Den
Locke wrote:
Probably right PJ
But would he accept that if no one else will take him
Despite his recent good form I still reckon a lot of clubs will be wary of an 190cm overweight forward who has only recently gotten rid of his 3 year form slump.


Probably would accept it, but if what we all hear is right, there are at least 3 teans who are interested in him.

_________________
Writer for SuperCoach Paige www.scpaige.com.au
Twitter - @johnfeeney24


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:05 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18066
Headplant wrote:


And both you and BV still ignore the fact that Lance was not the sweeper vs Richmond. I'm not using it as an argument to keep him or not keep him, simply pointing out that he had direct opponents in that game.


I didnt ignore it at all.
I completely disagree.
Lance had opponents at times and played as a loose man at times.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:23 pm 
Offline
Garry Crane
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:49 pm
Posts: 291
Location: Monte Carlo
Hmm, Lance, Lance, Lance....it's like dancing with your sister

_________________
You can just smell that fresh Carlton arrogance coming back into the air


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Lance
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:22 pm 
Online
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm
Posts: 7463
He's going to win our B&F so he'd have to be worth 350.

_________________
All my dangerous friends


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:51 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:39 pm
Posts: 1611
Location: charleston sc usa
Lance is worth 350-400 with a good midfield that are capable of good delivery and a strong tandem CHF such as Hamill. AKA his glory days when Hamill was standing beside him. Red is a good player but not a good player for our present circumstances.

_________________
Can smell the gf its there for the taking we are the form side


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 57 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot], Heavs, Mickstar and 25 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group